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Now that we have Gay we should facilitate a trade that gets Gasol to Minny and Williams/Ridnour to us. With something like Demar and Bargs going to LA
Lowry/Ridnour/Lucas
Ross/Fields
Gay/Anderson
Williams/Amir
JV/Gray
athleticism of the starting 5, damn
Williams hasn't performed in Minny and haven't seen much except easy buckets in the lane but I remember he had a killer 3pt% in college and could be lethal with a change of scenery
This is a terrible trade. Terrible. Demar for freaking who? Derrick Williams? C'MON! Its getting me upset that you can even rationalize this to yourself.
I would offer Bargnani to Minnesota for Williams and Ridnour.
Williams is a backup tweeter forward and Ridnour would be a solid backup PG.
The added depth on the wing might also prompt another deal where DeRozan is dealt for a starting PF - Millsap perhaps?
These are fantasy ideas lol. I'm not Colangelo in disguise no need to get upset.Quote:
enlightenment wrote:
I rationalized it along these lines:
- Ross will be a better option than DeRozan (in terms of stretching the floor and D -- which you need from you SG)
- DeMar isn't worth his new contract ... if we want any sort of flexibility he has to leave with Bargs
- Bargs alone isn't going to net us anything of worth besides another questionable contract
- I am happy with the Gay trade but DD and Gay do replicate each other quite a bit and neither are consistent from 3
- I gambling that 22-year old Williams 2ND overall selection in the 2011 draft is talented
i was about to post the exact same deal except get rid of the lakers. Let's deal Demar and Bargs for Ridnour, Williams, Roy(salary purposes) and the Wolves' pick. We could add depth in the paint with the 10th pick.
The Raptors get a good, athletic power forward, backup pg and a mid lotto pick.
The Wolves get a wing who can score and an ok floor stretching big man. Maybe throw in alan anderson cause they need shooting
On second thought, a more reasonable trade would be Bargnani & Anderson for Ridnour & Roy (with or without Lakers involved).
This is what I agree with aside from the Derozan suggestion. Derrick Williams is a tweener, and with the current style of play the Raptors play, and the league plays, he would fit really nicely, especially with his athleticism that would just boost the system. Ridnour would be a really good pick-up too.Quote:
CalgaryRapsFan wrote:
Add in Anderson/Kleiza to clear up the log jam at the wing rotation, and possibly acquire another big, that would be a good deal.
I am 100% for Anderson and Bargs for Ridnour and Williams. I think that is the best deal we can make, or we can get for Bargs.
Getting rid of Anderson would also free up time for Ross and we would have a pretty damn solid wing rotation.
The team would be pretty damn exciting with Ross, Demar, Gay and Williams.
Anderson and Bargs for Ridnour and Williams is my favorite trade post-Rudy Ive seen on this forum.
Lowry, Ridnour
Derozan, Ross
Gay, Fields
Williams, Amir
JV, Amir (During small ball with Gay at the 4)
One lottery pick next year, and this team is SET.
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RaptorReuben wrote:
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Red and White wrote:
As much as I like that trade (I did propose it after all), it really doesn't make sense for Toronto if Gay, DeRozan, Ross and Fields are all going to be kept.Quote:
enlightenment wrote:
To make it even more enticing for Minnesota, I would even be willing to make it Bargnani & Anderson for Ridnour & Roy.
Minnesota could then possibly flip Bargnani & Williams & Amundson (to match salaries) & 1st round pick to LA for Gasol.
For Toronto, Roy might retire ($5M off the books) or he'd be an expiring contact as a trade asset next year.
noooooooooo not Williams, we can do better and if not, then id rather do nothing at all
Derrick Williams is such a waste of talent on Minnesota. This guy can seriously play basketball if he's in the right situation. Minnesota drafted him because he was the best player available, but as soon as he was drafted, everyone knew it was going to be hard getting minutes with Love, Randolph, Beasley, Tolliver, Johnson taking up the 3 & 4 positions, the positions Williams was going to play. He was the odd man out, and he still is.Quote:
FoxMachine wrote:
Guy is athletic, can rebound, defend, and play inside & outside. 6'10, a guy just as tall as Amir Johnson, and has great body size. I would be very willing to trade for him and Ridnour.
Bargnani + Anderson for Williams + Ridnour is a deal I would be very willing to do. I originally said, I personally would like this team to acquire a prospect big to rotate along with Amir, JV, Gray, & Acy. Plus a point guard to strengthen the position (especially because Lowry is injury-prone) and JL3 is still an if.
I agree Williams is a tremendous talent, but he's clearly more suited to being a SF at this stage in his career. I don't actually like going small too much. It's something you should do at times, like a zone D, but not make your bread and butter.Quote:
RaptorReuben wrote:
Also, where the F*%$* are you pulling 6'10" from? he's 6'8". He is not big enough to play PF regularly, which means with Gay on our roster, it makes very little sense to get him.
I agree with your logic: prospect big + backup PG is one of the better possibilities for trading Bargs, but Williams is a prospect wing. He's not long, athletic or hustle/D oriented enough to be a full time 4.
This is the best trade for Bargs + Anderson = Ridnour + Williams
If this doesn't happen, Bargs and Anderson can and should stay put.
i like that deal---fully plausible and we add a backup pg while getting rid of Andrea. Maybe Cunningham instead of roy?
Why would minnesotta do this. Bargnani is uselsss due to love and Anderson is just a volume shooter. Williams is still a very solid prospect...to get him we would need to give up Demar or picks
+1. I'll take either Barea/Ridnour + Roy for Bargs + AA. This MIN-TOR trade makes so much sense. It needs it's own thread.Quote:
CalgaryRapsFan wrote:
I bet he wouldn't be more useful than Derrick is for them right now. Seriously guys why would Minny do this and just why would we do this??? It just increases our log jam at the 3 spot.Quote:
raptors98 wrote:
This is just how I see it:Quote:
charlesnba23 wrote:
There have been many rumours for a while about Minnesota not wanting Derrick Williams. For whatever reason, it just does not look like the two are meant to be. Luke Ridnour is going to get lost in the shuffle of JJ Barea, Alexei Shved, and Rubio in the future. He is 31 and very possibly not part of their future plans. If this is all true, the Timberwolves get a scorer from the 4 who, while not the best defender, would play well with Pekovic and Kirilenko (two great defenders) around him. Plus, they get Alan Anderson who can fill in for a Chase Budinger while he is gone, and backup the wings.
They get a scoring 4, a backup wing (better option than Mickael Gelabale, who is getting over 20minutes a game for them), and just more minutes to spread around for their younger guards. It makes sense.
The Raps get a backup PG which they so desperately need (sorry JLIII) and an athletic backup PF. If the Raps are going to play more small ball, more run and gun, they thus need some more athletic guys (especially on a decent contract). The Raps clear one log jam at the 2/3, get more minutes for Ross, while beefing up the back court and the 4 spot.
If Minnesota does not want to part with Ridnour and Williams, Ridnour and Roy also makes sense (assuming Roy is not going to really play).
What about Bargnani and Anderson for Ridnour and Roy