Bargnani for... Boozer?!?!

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Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:16 PM
Matt52

Chicago has never paid the luxury tax.

It does not seem they want to start either.

I don't know how I feel about the trade to be honest.

If Chicago are that cheap and desperate, would they throw in a draft pick?
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:18 PM
saints91

Quote:

NoPropsneeded wrote:

How? Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, Boozer, Valanciunas
That is a very good lineup with potential to grow year by year(DeRozan, Val)

Because Boozer declines each year they get better. Go check out Boozers stats and injury history. Decline and misses a ton of games.
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:18 PM
saints91

Quote:

Matt52 wrote:

Chicago has never paid the luxury tax.

It does not seem they want to start either.

I don't know how I feel about the trade to be honest.

If Chicago are that cheap and desperate, would they throw in a draft pick?

Now you are talking
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:19 PM
saints91

Oh by the way, I loved the Gay deal, I just don't think this is as beneficial.
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:24 PM
Raptor_11

Boozer would be a perfect fit for this team. But I'm not sure how I would feel if the Raptors got him... isn't he pretty injury prone?
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:28 PM
Chr1s1anL

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saints91 wrote:

Because Boozer declines each year they get better. Go check out Boozers stats and injury history. Decline and misses a ton of games.

You could say the same think about Dre
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:34 PM
saints91

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Chr1s1anL wrote:

You could say the same think about Dre

I don't really want to keep Dre, but if we are going to trade him, get the right deal.
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:34 PM
connected

Quote:

saints91 wrote:

He's going to be close to retirement or severly declining when this team is ready to contend. Wrong age for this team. Millsap is the guy we need. I don't see it happening.

I would prefer Millsap as well... especially since boozer is probably a worse defender than Bargs (saying this because bargs is good 1 on 1)

but then again players are playing till there 37-40 nowadays ... so Booz may still have a few good years in him
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:35 PM
blackangus

Sounds great but Bargs is not a great 3 point shooter...just around 30% the last 2 years
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:38 PM
e_wheazhy_

i still wanna fail for wiggins in 2014! whatever happened to that? kid's being heralded as the next lebron AND hes canadian! would hate to see him end up on any other team
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:39 PM
Matt52

I believe Raps stay under luxury tax. Anderson would have to agree.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a2oy8vv

Raps: Boozer, Ridnour, Amundson
Bulls: Bargnani, Roy, Anderson
Wolves: Hamilton, Lucas, Gray

Bulls under luxury tax in 2013 and 2014. Roy is not guaranteed for next year.
Wolves get SG help which they desperately need. Lucas not guaranteed next year and RIP for just $1M.
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:41 PM
enlightenment

Man comments asking for someone who takes 3pt shots hurt me...
We have enough SHOOTERS. people who will take that shot. Our offense has enough weapons to figure itself out.

WE NEED DEFENSE. Specifically a strong Defender in the post.
Boozer is part of a team KNOWN for their defensive presence. Boozer is probably exactly what we need at PF. A veteran who can spread the floor with the 18 footer, be reliable on the glass, and play anchoring defense.

If we can get Kirk Hinrich in on this (a defensive PG), I project a beautiful lineup with offensive and defensive weapons, as well as a deep bench.
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:49 PM
T.Dot

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Chr1s1anL wrote:

Wow BC wants that 8th seed bad

No BC wants to save his ass
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:53 PM
mountio

Quote:

enlightenment wrote:

Man comments asking for someone who takes 3pt shots hurt me...
We have enough SHOOTERS. people who will take that shot. Our offense has enough weapons to figure itself out.

WE NEED DEFENSE. Specifically a strong Defender in the post.
Boozer is part of a team KNOWN for their defensive presence. Boozer is probably exactly what we need at PF. A veteran who can spread the floor with the 18 footer, be reliable on the glass, and play anchoring defense.

If we can get Kirk Hinrich in on this (a defensive PG), I project a beautiful lineup with offensive and defensive weapons, as well as a deep bench.

Boozer is not known for his D at all. He is a liability in Chicago and is often taken off the court down the stretch due to his inability to get stops. Chicago is great defensively overall, but not because of Boozer.
Im ok with this trade, but its because of offense and rebounding, not D
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:53 PM
enlightenment

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Boozer + Heinrich ---> Bargs + Kleiza + Anderson

Bulls for salary cap reasons + lack of 3pt shooting. I think Anderson can play really nicely with Tom.

Raptors for this lineup:
Lowry, Heinrich
Derozan, Ross
Gay, Fields
Boozer, Acy (Amir/Gay during smallball)
Valancuinas, Amir

Even our bench at almost every position is delicious.
We have a strong post presence, everyone can shoot outside the key (good spacing, no offensive holes), enough 3pt threats (Kirk, Lowry, ROSS, Gay), good penetration (Lowry, Derozan, Gay), an assist first pointguard (Kirk) a shoot first pointguard (Lowry), Good rebounding presence (Val, Boozer, Amir, Lowry, Gay), a strong defensive lineup (Kirk/Lowry, Ross, Gay, Boozer, Amir) and last but not least a crunch time scorer/leader (Gay)

From PG to the Wings to the Post, we have a good mix of offense and defensive capabilities. No one is a liability at any end.
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:54 PM
Matt52

Quote:

Matt52 wrote:

I believe Raps stay under luxury tax. Anderson would have to agree.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a2oy8vv

Raps: Boozer, Ridnour, Amundson
Bulls: Bargnani, Roy, Anderson
Wolves: Hamilton, Lucas, Gray

Bulls under luxury tax in 2013 and 2014. Roy is not guaranteed for next year.
Wolves get SG help which they desperately need. Lucas not guaranteed next year and RIP for just $1M.

Actually, Raps go in to the luxury tax I believe, just barely. Same as above but minus Amundson:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b4yhgce

Raps: Boozer, Ridnour, CHI 2013 1st rd pick
Bulls: Bargnani, Roy, Anderson
Wolves: Hamilton, Lucas, Gray

Bulls under luxury tax in 2013 and 2014 saving them probably like $40M when you consider the revenue sharing they are now available to receive. This is why I threw in the draft pick. Roy is not guaranteed for next year.

Wolves get SG help which they desperately need. Lucas not guaranteed next year and RIP for just $1M.
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:54 PM
enlightenment

Quote:

mountio wrote:

Boozer is not known for his D at all. He is a liability in Chicago and is often taken off the court down the stretch due to his inability to get stops. Chicago is great defensively overall, but not because of Boozer.
Im ok with this trade, but its because of offense and rebounding, not D

It takes a team to play defense. Boozer was starting for the number 1 defense in the league. He clearly is no slouch at such an important position (in the post)
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 07:56 PM
Matt52

Quote:

enlightenment wrote:

It takes a team to play defense. Boozer was starting for the number 1 defense in the league. He clearly is no slouch at such an important position (in the post)

This is a recently familiar debate with Gay and MEM if I recall correct.
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 08:00 PM
DoNDaDDa

maybe some how we could get the Swirsk included in the deal.. Boozer/Hinrich/Swirsk for BArgs/Fields/Devlin... make it happen BC!!
Thu Feb 7th, 2013, 08:00 PM
d749

if we take boozer we better get charlottes pick

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