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I think T Ross now is like Marshoon Brooks a season ago. He also had huge potential but so far he hasn't really developed as expected. Yes - he doesn't have the handles of Brooks but he has got more hops.I would love to see him develop - BUT he may never develop. There are many players with potential but the rare ones are those who work really hard,are put in the right system,don't get seiously injured etc.
I think Terrence Ross can be looked upon as overrated for the simple reason that he's considered untouchable.
I don't think the Raptors, in their best interest, should trade Terrence Ross. I think it would be a big mistake to do so.. in fact I think Ross has a higher potential of becoming a good player than JV does. But anyway, when I read about how we are trying to improve the team and move pieces around and Terrence Ross is "untouchable" that comes across to me as nutso.
In that particular sense, he's overrated by Colangelo. But in every other sense, this thread just seems like trolling to me :)
I'd like to delve (a little) into his shooting percentages from different areas.
First of all, I think people overrate the percentage of shots a player should make. If you don't take into account shots at the rim, the average league percentage in every area is below 40%! Source Of course you'd like all players to only take shots at the rim, but I'm pretty sure we all agree that's not happening.
A very high percentage of his shots, almost 47%, are from threepointrange. Clearly this has a huge impact on his overall shooting percentage. And clearly this is by design; the team wants him to spread the floor and take threes. His 3pt% from above the break is around the league average of 36%. It's his corner three which drags his 3pt% so far, but he has shot less of them (13,6% against 33% above the break). Source The gap between being a league average 3pt shooter and Ross isn't very high. It's not like teams can gameplan around it and give him the three because it gives them a better shot at winning. With Ross' volume, it's 1 make or miss more about every 12 games ...
Inside upside!
One thing to love about Ross is his shooting percentage at the rim and the way he gets them (of course it's early days in his career, so there is a small sample size alert). Looking at the stats of nba.com, he finishes an amazing 72% of his shots around the rim. That's territory few players get to.
Looking further into these numbers at hoopdata is also interesting. I looked at shooting guards playing at least 30 games. Hoopdata has him at 80%, maybe because it is only updated through february 3th (the dropoff reïnforces the small sample size idea, but either percentage would be very high). On hoopdata he ranks second among shooting guards (this would not be very different looking at all players by the way). But in the top 10 he has the smallest percentage off shots assisted which means he's very good on break-outs and/or he creates them himself. Both are promising. Source
Right now he's only taking about 17% of his shots at the rim and getting that up would probably mean some regression in percentage. But even with some regression he just might be a high percentage finisher around the rim. Couple that with an even slightly improved outside shot and he will be a very dangerous offensive player!
This is really what I was getting at, I've repeatedly seen people post about how we can't trade this guy and read that Colangelo had deemed him untouchable, and he's done nothing to warrant that. He's got some potential surely, but I think there are some poeple who are massively overvaluing him.Quote:
ebrian wrote:
Joey Graham looked pretty athletic and shot threes in his rookie year too. Now that's trolling!
Haha.. Joey Graham had no basketball IQ at all.. but I know you're just finding an example.Quote:
hateslosing wrote:
That's exactly the problem. You can't deem a guy untouchable this early in his career. It could come back and bite us in the arse but then again you could also look back and think holy $!@# we could had that guy!
So there are things like that where you cannot make a guy untouchable unless you are absolutely sure he is the real deal, and with Terrence Ross you simply cannot know he's the real deal yet.
All said I do like him a lot. It has to be a really good deal, for example trading for a guy you envision Terrence Ross could become (not the ceiling, but close to it), or another such prospect similar to him.
Hilariously ignorant thread
I think that is a fair statement.Quote:
hateslosing wrote:
The reality is though, Terrence Ross by himself is not going to bring you in a Kevin Love talent and the Raptors don't have the other assets to make a package to get a talent like that.
The types of players the Raptors have been discussing - Gay, Gasol, Boozer - are not worth giving him up for when you consider other teams issues and reasons for seeking trades.
Then there are the unrestricted free agents (Jefferson, Millsap, Smith) who could bolt so you aren't going to give up any assets to make those trades either considering they could leave in 5 months.
Looking at the Raptors roster and Ross also provides a skill set no other player can match and certainly not for his price over the rest of this season and the following 3.
Agree with everthing here. If Josh Smith would sign an extension, would you trade Ross and Bargs for him? Just wondering what you see as his value. I'd probably do that deal.Quote:
Matt52 wrote:
Honestly, I don't know.Quote:
hateslosing wrote:
50/50
Smith is looking for a max and I don't think he is worth that.
Amazing shot form, with range ... crazy athleticism ... defensive commitment ... this thought in your head?It was over-rated.
I hear you. I watched quite a few of his games at Washington the past few years and while always a talented player I never once saw him play and thought he was a potential star when he hits the NBA. He has great athleticism and a solid jumper but no handles to speak of, short arms and I can't comment on his passing ability.Quote:
hateslosing wrote:
To me, if the right deal comes along I could definitely make him a part of a package to get a better player.
It's interesting that people say that he is better than Demar when he came into the league (which is true) but thats not to say his development will eclipse Demar's. They are completely different players.
I like Ross but how everyone freaks on this guy like he's going to be an all-star 2 guard in this league I don't get it cause I don't see it in his game.
I am a TRoss fan. When he's on the floor I'm hoping to see him make big splashes or the high flying act. He is actually my favorite Raptor. While I acknowledge he has a long way to go before we call him one of the leagues best players or even one of the Raptor's best but from a strictly entertainment perspective when he is on, he's a blast!
I 100% agree with this response. In addition, if this thread is all about how Ross is over-rated (seems like it's based on stats, primarily) then we can likely include Jonas into this discussion. Ross (like Jonas) has all the tools to become a special player in this league. There's no telling whether or not he'll turn into a superstar as that's yet remains to be seen, but the flashes that he's shown so far indicates that he can become a very productive player given the right direction and influences. And as a GM, you tend to hold on to those types of players a lot tighter than say a player like Quincy Acy.Quote:
CalgaryRapsFan wrote:
Ross has a unique skillset for a SG. I mean, he's a great 3pt shooter, great defender and is insanely athletic.
I dare you, give me an SG in the NBA that can do all those things.
If Ross develops all the skills that he has, he's going to be a beast.
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RPT23 wrote:
In addition to what I just type, if a GM is going to trade a "Lebron-type" player for Ross, then let's use common-sense and say, "hell mutha****** yeah".
T Ross is my favourite player on the Raps (by a margin). It drives me absolutely crazy the minutes that he gets .. particularily if they are going to AA. I grant that T Ross takes some bad shots (although many are because of his lack of mins and feeling that he needs to get some shots up to stay on the court .. cause Casey only seems to give him more than 15 mins if hes on fire).
Look at his stroke. Best on the team. Look at his athleticism. Best on the team (or 2nd to Gay). This guy will have a very good NBA career .. he just needs mins to prove it out.
Also, compare to some guys ppl were pushing (Lamb, Rivers) and WOW - what a pick. Doesnt change the fact we should have taken Drummond (to trade or to keep) .. but thats another story ..
If Drummond and Ross puts it together, it's going to be a very interesting conversation / comparison for many years to come.
I guarantee if Kyrie or K Love were available and it was going to take Ross to get it done, he would not be "untouchable" any more.Quote:
draftedraptor wrote:
I wouldn't say he's Over-rated or Under-rated. I'd say he's Appropriately-Rated.
He's gotten quite a bit of air time in the states; people knew his name before the Dunk Contest.
But unfortunately, he's only gotten air-time for his dunks. While we all know he's much more than his dunks, he's yet to really prove it. I'm reserving judgement. Have always been a fan of the pick though.
I think one reason for all the love for Ross is that theres really no other raptors players to be excited about except the rookies because they can at least still change and surprise us. People love hope. Obviously bargnani didn't turn out the way we wanted. Derozan became the face of the raptors by default but isn't a franchise player and it doesn't seem like anyone would be bothered if he were traded. Everyone else has just been really inconsistent. T ross gets a pass on that since hes a rookie though. Hence the love!