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  1. Raptors + Aminu means either one of JJ or Demar...

    Raptors + Aminu means either one of JJ or Demar has to go no?

    That spacing......
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    James Johnson's reg. season O/D/N rtgs vs Team...

    James Johnson's reg. season O/D/N rtgs vs Team via NBA.com

    108.9 vs 108.1
    101.9 vs 104.8
    7.0 vs 3.2

    Depending on one's feeling on the relevance of Hansbrough role/minutes, JJ had the best...
  3. That doesn't seem to be the case historically. ...

    That doesn't seem to be the case historically. Players (top players) have trended to the top markets. The ones that get them the most attention and spend the most money (both on them and...
  4. Well the obvious example would be to look OKC...

    Well the obvious example would be to look OKC themselves... how many FAs of note are they signing? How many players were/are taking discounts to sign with those guys?

    What about another obvious...
  5. According the link I posted, Raptor's were 2nd in...

    According the link I posted, Raptor's were 2nd in PnR finishes (in the playoffs) going to the roller.

    As for long 2s.. Lou was 3rd on the team in % of attempts, behind Lowry and Demar (naturally)....
  6. I'm not claiming it is necessarily sustainable,...

    I'm not claiming it is necessarily sustainable, but thats not the discussion as I understand it anyways. This is about the effectiveness of these players (and as an extension ISO) this past year.
    ...
  7. But it was! Third best in the league. So...

    But it was! Third best in the league. So doesn't that mean that, at least on the offensive end, what the team was do was working?

    Should also be noted:

    Vasquez assist% (according to NBA.com)...
  8. Can't really give those comparisons as Lou wasn't...

    Can't really give those comparisons as Lou wasn't with the team last year. We could look at those players same #s in 2013/14 vs this past year... but that wouldn't give us much in the way of...
  9. So I decided to take a stab at a few of these...

    So I decided to take a stab at a few of these things.

    Jonas w/out Lou vs with

    Ortg 1.080 vs 1.115
    usage 20.4 vs 19.4

    PP w/out Lou vs with

    Ortg 1.140 vs 1.165
  10. This seems to be a different question than the...

    This seems to be a different question than the one I was discussing. (and I don't get into measuring "flow" or the such because its purely subjective. If Lou's killed the 'flow', that 'flow' died...
  11. I'm not denying that net ratings could use a...

    I'm not denying that net ratings could use a 'starter vs bench' adjustment.

    But the discussion was regarding these 2 together being a 'mistake'... but according to the data, they were not within...
  12. I can't say I agree on his draft record... in...

    I can't say I agree on his draft record... in Phoenix he had his dad to hold his hand, in Toronto it was horrific. But I'm not here to debate that.

    Its more about his comment vs the state of the...
  13. I'm not sure a guy admitting he passed on a top 5...

    I'm not sure a guy admitting he passed on a top 5 talent, and a top 3 athlete because of need and "mental make up" (something he bombed on previously... ie. Bargnani and the calipre test) is evidence...
  14. Well according to NBAwowy, w/Lou + Vasquez on the...

    Well according to NBAwowy, w/Lou + Vasquez on the floor the Raps had a PPP of 1.149 and a dPPP of 1.097 for a net rating of +0.052. So it seems to have 'worked'

    (for the season the Raptors had a...
  15. But you are communicating your displeasure by not...

    But you are communicating your displeasure by not buying those tickets, and it is also giving the team an incentive to change. By buying tickets though, you aren't given them incentive... rather you...
  16. $s drive business --> stop given business $s...

    $s drive business --> stop given business $s they'll need to change how they do business --> continue to pay for the same product/service, said business will continue with the status quo. Its called...
  17. Thats just a false equivalency. Raptors aren't...

    Thats just a false equivalency. Raptors aren't in the same situation the Expos or Grizzlies were, on numerous different levels. Nor where those teams driven out because fans "boycotted" the team.
    ...
  18. Although I may differ on the bits and pieces of...

    Although I may differ on the bits and pieces of moves to make, I think the idea is spot on. If the teams intentions are to win, then they should be making a real investment into winning. Can't...
  19. Absolutely agree. Which is why the idea of...

    Absolutely agree.

    Which is why the idea of willingly 'boycotting' the team is not only a statement that one is a "fan", its going a step further and being an active particpant (albeit very...
  20. I'm going to ignore your high school retorts to...

    I'm going to ignore your high school retorts to your unjustified points... and I'll get right to the meat of this.

    Yes, a customer should 'take their ball and go home' instead of buying a product...
  21. I can't speak for anyone else, and I'm not...

    I can't speak for anyone else, and I'm not calling for a "boycott" (rather just pointing out that calling someone "not a real fan" because they may choose to).

    That said:

    1) Two most successful...
  22. Whats not being a real fan? Not paying a team...

    Whats not being a real fan?

    Not paying a team for a product you don't want or enjoy? Holding back $s until a team meets ones expectations or preferences?

    If Nabisco starts making Oreos with...
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    I think this is a lot more situational than...

    I think this is a lot more situational than people give it credit for.

    As a general rule I think if you are drafting high, a team should always take the BPA. As you move down in the draft it can...
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    I'm not sure this question is completely...

    I'm not sure this question is completely answerable, as all teams will be unique. What a rebuild best looks like, what a team wants or needs, will be dependent on the individual(s) a team is...
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    ;) gotcha

    ;) gotcha
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