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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    he was totally a hater... a very intelligent one, i'll give him that...

    lol... i missed out on the main page arguments... i dont go into the comments... they just seem like the wild west to me... i dont believe for a second multi was ever THAT much of a bargs supporter... he saw a stance he could take that would illicit the most negative responses from people, and he exploited it.. he's a troll-savant

    i could be wrong on both counts though... just my opinion though
    These guys can't be bigger trolls than tenforthewin, oh man that dude is something else.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    These guys can't be bigger trolls than tenforthewin, oh man that dude is something else.
    tenforthewin is just nonsensical

    there was a certain trolling brilliance to multipaul... he'd make crazy claims... back it up with proof... sometimes, completely fabricated proof... but somehow he'd link to it anyways... he'd quote strange metrics nobody has ever heard of, and if you stopped to think about, weren't even real.. he'd start cheesy fan-service threads such as "Bargs is Tupac" and compare every rap to a rapper... for no other reason to have a thread in the main forum with Bargs in the subject line that wouldn't end up in the "everything bargs" mega-thread

    tim was a different kind of beast... very intelligent, very factual, but VERY stubborn in his bargnani disdain. if bargs had a great game (it used to happen from time to time, we all forget), he'd find a reason to shit on bargs.. there was no give in his point of view.. he wasn't very open minded about the whole situation..

    so you got one guy... stubborn and headstrong about his opinion... another guy, basically a high level shit disturber... and the results were comedy gold... and eventually severe annoyance from everyone else..

    hell... i'd go as far as to say, the whole reason the "everything bargs" thread exists is because of those two

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    tenforthewin is just nonsensical

    there was a certain trolling brilliance to multipaul... he'd make crazy claims... back it up with proof... sometimes, completely fabricated proof... but somehow he'd link to it anyways... he'd quote strange metrics nobody has ever heard of, and if you stopped to think about, weren't even real.. he'd start cheesy fan-service threads such as "Bargs is Tupac" and compare every rap to a rapper... for no other reason to have a thread in the main forum with Bargs in the subject line that wouldn't end up in the "everything bargs" mega-thread

    tim was a different kind of beast... very intelligent, very factual, but VERY stubborn in his bargnani disdain. if bargs had a great game (it used to happen from time to time, we all forget), he'd find a reason to shit on bargs.. there was no give in his point of view.. he wasn't very open minded about the whole situation..

    so you got one guy... stubborn and headstrong about his opinion... another guy, basically a high level shit disturber... and the results were comedy gold... and eventually severe annoyance from everyone else..

    hell... i'd go as far as to say, the whole reason the "everything bargs" thread exists is because of those two
    MultiPaul was awesome.

    When I was a mod I kept trying to work with him behind the scenes to keep him from being banned. But he kept making too much personal in the end.

    I wish he stayed on. I really liked his posts..... definitely had a few screws lose but don't we all?
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    i think at this point, does anyone really care how they use Bargs? This team is not making the playoffs....

    Honestly, I'd love to see him on the floor plenty if we can get more Bargs led fast breaks. At least he might end up making some Shaqtin a fool appearances....Someone's gotta give McGee a break.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    This might become one of the all-time most hated thread

    But in all seriousness, even with Matt pointing out the record, what do the Raps have to lose? Is starting Bargnani over Amir going to affect Amir? Not likely. Is starting Bargnani over JV going to affect JV? Not really, he should be coming off the bench anyway. Is Bargnani in the starting lineup going to make us miss the playoffs? No, cause we were already missing the playoffs.

    Some people may worry about the team chemistry, but I honestly thinkt he players don't care about Bargnani. I think they ignore him most of the time and he isn't a factor for them. Look at the Raps Harlem Shake thing, practically the entire team was there except Bargnani. He is his own little universe.
    Sigh......I already hate this thread! Listening to more reasons why WE need to get Bargs going/involved (see coddling)....sigh

    Decent game for Bargnani. I would've liked to see JV play more thatn 15 minutes. Amir shoots 10 for 10 and has an AMAZING game with 12 offensive boards (15 rebounds in total to go along with 25 points). Ross looks like he should be getting the Bargnani treatment.....maybe we should put all our efforts into getting him going?? His confidence looks pretty terrible out there.....poor kid.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    tenforthewin is just nonsensical

    there was a certain trolling brilliance to multipaul... he'd make crazy claims... back it up with proof... sometimes, completely fabricated proof... but somehow he'd link to it anyways... he'd quote strange metrics nobody has ever heard of, and if you stopped to think about, weren't even real.. he'd start cheesy fan-service threads such as "Bargs is Tupac" and compare every rap to a rapper... for no other reason to have a thread in the main forum with Bargs in the subject line that wouldn't end up in the "everything bargs" mega-thread

    tim was a different kind of beast... very intelligent, very factual, but VERY stubborn in his bargnani disdain. if bargs had a great game (it used to happen from time to time, we all forget), he'd find a reason to shit on bargs.. there was no give in his point of view.. he wasn't very open minded about the whole situation..

    so you got one guy... stubborn and headstrong about his opinion... another guy, basically a high level shit disturber... and the results were comedy gold... and eventually severe annoyance from everyone else..

    hell... i'd go as far as to say, the whole reason the "everything bargs" thread exists is because of those two
    Ah, Heinz you bring up some great memories of RR. Too bad they got banned. One can only imagine what-could-have-been. Especially, last year for those '13 games of Bargs' - Multipaul would have been insufferable. And then this years, the tables would have turned.

    I do have to say, though, that Tim. W has been pretty much right about a lot of things, especially draft picks. He said Ed Davis was going to be good and that we should draft Drummond if he was available.

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    Stastically Amir and Lowry are best players we have on both sides of the floor, need more PT. Gay and Derozan are inefficient, Bargs in inconsistent. We need to be getting Lowry and Amir as much PT as possible.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    who even cares anymore
    Amen.

    Within 1 minute of the first quarter starting last night Devlin and Leo had started in on their 'gotta get Bargnani going', 'see if he can play with Rudy Gay', nonsense and I just wanted to throw my beer through the tv. We've alrdeay established over 7 years that Bargnani's play, even when he plays good, has little to no positive impact on this team's winning percentage. Whether he scores 20 or not, as pointed out above, has no bearing on winning and, in fact, correlates to losing. Since all he can do is score, well, what good is he then?

    You'd think after 5 disastrous years you would want to get rid of any constant factors during that period. Not in Toronto....

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    Quote golden wrote: View Post
    Ah, Heinz you bring up some great memories of RR. Too bad they got banned. One can only imagine what-could-have-been. Especially, last year for those '13 games of Bargs' - Multipaul would have been insufferable. And then this years, the tables would have turned.

    I do have to say, though, that Tim. W has been pretty much right about a lot of things, especially draft picks. He said Ed Davis was going to be good and that we should draft Drummond if he was available.
    Tim was VERY knowledgable... for the most part, i appreciated his contributions.... but his anti-bargnani sentiment was out of control

    by no means am i comparing him to hitler, but i am sorta comparing him to hitler.... hitler was a GREAT leader, but on the one issue of the jews he was a nutter... same deal... much lesser degree

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Amen.

    Within 1 minute of the first quarter starting last night Devlin and Leo had started in on their 'gotta get Bargnani going', 'see if he can play with Rudy Gay', nonsense and I just wanted to throw my beer through the tv. We've alrdeay established over 7 years that Bargnani's play, even when he plays good, has little to no positive impact on this team's winning percentage. Whether he scores 20 or not, as pointed out above, has no bearing on winning and, in fact, correlates to losing. Since all he can do is score, well, what good is he then?

    You'd think after 5 disastrous years you would want to get rid of any constant factors during that period. Not in Toronto....
    Amen, indeed.

    I find the turning sentiment today amusing and the bold nails it..... all of it.
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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    Tim was VERY knowledgable... for the most part, i appreciated his contributions.... but his anti-bargnani sentiment was out of control

    by no means am i comparing him to hitler, but i am sorta comparing him to hitler.... hitler was a GREAT leader, but on the one issue of the jews he was a nutter... same deal... much lesser degree
    lol, but Tim was right about Bargnani. All his harping has been justified.
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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    Tim was VERY knowledgable... for the most part, i appreciated his contributions.... but his anti-bargnani sentiment was out of control

    by no means am i comparing him to hitler, but i am sorta comparing him to hitler.... hitler was a GREAT leader, but on the one issue of the jews he was a nutter... same deal... much lesser degree
    Awesome. You're on a roll. lmao.

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    lol, but Tim was right about Bargnani. All his harping has been justified.
    You are correct.

    Tim and I had many head to heads. All my arguments were based on hope and potential that never came to be. All his arguments were based on realities that persisted.

    On this topic, I bow to Tim..... if he is out there.
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    This might become one of the all-time most hated thread

    But in all seriousness, even with Matt pointing out the record, what do the Raps have to lose? Is starting Bargnani over Amir going to affect Amir? Not likely. Is starting Bargnani over JV going to affect JV? Not really, he should be coming off the bench anyway. Is Bargnani in the starting lineup going to make us miss the playoffs? No, cause we were already missing the playoffs.

    Some people may worry about the team chemistry, but I honestly thinkt he players don't care about Bargnani. I think they ignore him most of the time and he isn't a factor for them. Look at the Raps Harlem Shake thing, practically the entire team was there except Bargnani. He is his own little universe.
    i would hardly count the harlem shake video as a measure of team cohesiveness. lots of people weren't in it. if anything, look at how the raps literally stand up to cheer for bargnani when hes on the floor in toronto to shut up all the idiotic booing toronto fans.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    You are correct.

    Tim and I had many head to heads. All my arguments were based on hope and potential that never came to be. All his arguments were based on realities that persisted.

    On this topic, I bow to Tim..... if he is out there.
    Tim's arguments weren't without merit... he backed up everything he said, he's a very knowledgable dude... but he very clearly was coming from a place of disdain... if he bent a little, and accepted other people's opinions as what they were... OPINIONS... instead of trying to argue opinions with people... he wouldn't have irked so many people the wrong way

    he came off a little too didactic... which doesn't really allow for a decent back and forth... and that's just fodder for the trolls

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    Tim's arguments weren't without merit... he backed up everything he said, he's a very knowledgable dude... but he very clearly was coming from a place of disdain... if he bent a little, and accepted other people's opinions as what they were... OPINIONS... instead of trying to argue opinions with people... he wouldn't have irked so many people the wrong way

    he came off a little too didactic... which doesn't really allow for a decent back and forth... and that's just fodder for the trolls
    I agreed with TimW on a lot of things but he was condescending to anyone who disagreed with him. I remember being on the opposite side of most people here when the lockout happened but he was the only person I found it impossible to have any sort of exchange with cause he just kept posting the same stuff over and over without ever addressing any arguments.

    He moved on to RaptorsHQ (which is terrible since the formatting change - what a mess) where he would get into it with Buddhafan (another ex-RR poster) and the comments section was the TimW/Buddhafan show. It made the comments section unreadable. Don't know where he is contributing now.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Great for him.

    Too bad the Raps are 4-23 with him as a starter and 0-8 when he scores 20 or more.
    Which is as valuable an insight as the raps being 0-3 when Rudy gets 4 steals, or 0-2 when he gets 9 or more rebounds.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Amen, indeed.

    I find the turning sentiment today amusing and the bold nails it..... all of it.
    Everyone reaches a breaking point. Mine was the Babcock era where I very nearly stopped cheering for the team altogether (remember the posters of Babcock and Mitchell and the New Era promotion?). Now, after 17 years and 3 inches shy of an NBA final (they totally would have smoked the Bucks), the Raptors have killed any hope or joy I have for basketball so nothing they do really affects me that much anymore. Now, I just laugh psychotically at them.

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    clearly you weren't here during the tim w vs multipaul days

    no amount of bargs hating vs bargs nut hugging will ever compare to that insanity
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    i'm not going to lie... i totally egged on their arguments... to the point that somebody accused me of being multi... and his Bargs is Tupac, and Bargs is GSP threads were absolute classics... his "mathletics" based arguments were the things of trolling genius

    but pre-everything bargs thread being born... coming into the main forum was a headache
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    These guys can't be bigger trolls than tenforthewin, oh man that dude is something else.
    tenforthewin is nobody compared to MultiPaul. NOBODY. Multipaul had 1 goal and 1 goal only. To herald the second coming of Bargnani which would usher in the bargpocalypse where bargs would be known around the world as THE BEST basketball player in the history of everything. During which he would laugh manically at all the haters who were too stupid to know how awesome bargnani is, and always was. He had more faith in Barg's than the Pope does in Christ. And I'm not being hyperbolic.

    Tenforthewin posts things that aren't researched, and aren't plausible, and doesn't ever bother to defend his initial position. Mulitpaul would argue with you about bargs until you gave up. I'm surprised he hasn't been hired by Fox "News".

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    MultiPaul was awesome.

    When I was a mod I kept trying to work with him behind the scenes to keep him from being banned. But he kept making too much personal in the end.

    I wish he stayed on. I really liked his posts..... definitely had a few screws lose but don't we all?
    I didn't get into it the way Tim W. did, because I agree with Heinz that he was a little too black and white, but the guy was right, back when people were debating whether we should trade amir or davis Tim and I were arguing to keep both and trade Bargs. If you are interested in what he's doing these days he's got a blog Click Here about the raps. Doesn't post as much as he used to but I still check it out every once and awhile. I'd love for someone to get him on a rapcast at some point.

    I miss Multipaul sooo much somedays.

    EDIT: Speaking of Tim W. and Bargnani, here's a post he did in Sept. 2010... Top Ten Myths about Andrea Bargnani in case any one is interested. It's an interesting look back into the bargnani debate.
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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Everyone reaches a breaking point. Mine was the Babcock era where I very nearly stopped cheering for the team altogether (remember the posters of Babcock and Mitchell and the New Era promotion?). Now, after 17 years and 3 inches shy of an NBA final (they totally would have smoked the Bucks), the Raptors have killed any hope or joy I have for basketball so nothing they do really affects me that much anymore. Now, I just laugh psychotically at them.

    I think a lot of newer fans who have only been around for a few years have been able to keep hope alive watching other teams turn it around. But, eventually, the Raptors suck all the joy out of fandom and break you. I love coming to the Raps forums and reading posters who are still so passionate and live and die for every game. I can't imagine ever getting back there with this team. I allowed myself to believe for about a year when they hired Colangelo. Won't be fooled again...
    the funny thing about babcock...

    GMing isn't an easy job... we can all debate, and point fingers, and opine on GMs we like or dislike, or who we think are doing an awful job... but really, it's not an easy job... even one of the worst GMs in the league, the majority of us wouldn't be able to do their job any better... its EASY to say "oh this is what the team needs, lets go after that thing"... but actually doing it, or doing something even remotely close to it, is hard as hell... i dont envy their jobs... i think BC has bungled alot of things.... ALOT... but even his screw ups, if put in his position, i wouldn't have been successful enough to get to the point of screwing up...

    i DO think i could have been a better GM than Babcock

    If i was the GM at the time in an alternate dimension... and i literally got a PIECE OF SHIT for Vince Carter... like, literally... somebody scooped up some NJ dog poop off the streets of Newark and said "i'll give you this for VC" and i took it... and somebody showed me a window into the other dimension and what Babcock got for him.... i woulda got that piece of shit bronzed and put it up in my trophy case

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