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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Don't forget we had a winning/500 record with Jose starting too. Everyone seems to forget that. It was when Lowry was starting that we went like 2-14 or something.

    Edit: 12-11 with Jose starting.
    The Bargnani factor: exclude Bargnani from starting with Lowry and suddenly Lowry is 7-7.
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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Don't forget we had a winning/500 record with Jose starting too. Everyone seems to forget that. It was when Lowry was starting that we went like 2-14 or something.

    Edit: 12-11 with Jose starting.
    We also only beat 1 or 2 teams with above 500 records with Jose starting

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    Get over it guys Lowry has been better than Calderon since he now knows he has the job. stop reminiscing. Calderon leaving was a step into the future.

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    I find it hilarious that people think that this "future" is going anywhere. We are maxxed out financially on average players. That lands us out of the playoffs and out of the lottery. 7 years of BC and we are right back to where we started (with less picks and worse assets).

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    The Bargnani factor: exclude Bargnani from starting with Lowry and suddenly Lowry is 7-7.
    Lowry was out of those games too.

    Calderon is and always will be a better PG than Jose. Lowry has extremely questionable decision making at the worst times, has a tendency to force his shot and have average or below average court vision. The only thing going for him is his defence and he's been burned there a lot of times since he took the job.

    As much of a Raptors homer I am I can't see this team ever being good enough to compete. We're more than likely going to just be stuck at 8th seed at best. Rudy Gay is athletic but he is dumb as a rock with his decision making and shot selection. We have little room to improve either. If BC stuck to the course with Jose and Ed we'd be in a much better position than we are now.
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    Get over it guys Lowry has been better than Calderon since he now knows he has the job. stop reminiscing. Calderon leaving was a step into the future.
    Have you seen what Jose has done with Detroit? Pistons are a better team with him
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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    Hyping the players you have no intention of keeping increases their trade value in the off season. It's a savvy fein by BC that I can appreciate.
    HA!! Definitely, I could say that those who follow the raptor team casually could be best described as "mad" as they don't really understand the game or the industry, you win some, you lose some, alot has to be taken in consideration behind the scenes as well as the talent progression of their core players.

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    Lowry was out of those games too.

    Calderon is and always will be a better PG than Jose. Lowry has extremely questionable decision making at the worst times, has a tendency to force his shot and have average or below average court vision. The only thing going for him is his defence and he's been burned there a lot of times since he took the job.

    As much of a Raptors homer I am I can't see this team ever being good enough to compete. We're more than likely going to just be stuck at 8th seed at best. Rudy Gay is athletic but he is dumb as a rock with his decision making and shot selection. We have little room to improve either. If BC stuck to the course with Jose and Ed we'd be in a much better position than we are now.
    I don't understand how Lowry can start a game without Bargnani and still be out for those games.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I don't understand how Lowry can start a game without Bargnani and still be out for those games.
    What about the part about Calderon being a better PG than Jose? Very confusing.
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    Quote Darien wrote: View Post
    I find it hilarious that people think that this "future" is going anywhere. We are maxxed out financially on average players. That lands us out of the playoffs and out of the lottery. 7 years of BC and we are right back to where we started (with less picks and worse assets).
    BC just needs 5 or 6 more years to finish his plan. Seven years is far too quick to make judgement calls. You need to give a GM at least 10 years before you can reach any conclusions. And even then, if he's trying really hard in year 10 or makes a good trade, you have to give him more time to see that plan through. Another 7 or 8 years at least.

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    Quote YYZ wrote: View Post
    Have you seen what Jose has done with Detroit? Pistons are a better team with him
    I don't mean to discredit him, Jose was a class act and a fantastic player for us... and i have nothing but respect for him

    But Detroit would have been a better team with the addition of the aged donut stuffed carcass of Oliver Miller... when you're that crap, it doesnt take alot to improve..

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    BC just needs 5 or 6 more years to finish his plan. Seven years is far too quick to make judgement calls. You need to give a GM at least 10 years before you can reach any conclusions. And even then, if he's trying really hard in year 10 or makes a good trade, you have to give him more time to see that plan through. Another 7 or 8 years at least.
    lol

    That hits the heart of my new found frustration right there.

    At some point potential and promises needs to turn in to something otherwise you are a hack.
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    The Raptors are spinning their tires as a franchise.

    The team won 35% of their games last year with a patched together roster that was one of the worst in the league on paper. This season, they're only winning 39% of their games but had to give up their first round pick, cap flexibility and young assets to do it.
    The roster is littered with overpaid players - only Amir Johnson and Lowry could be considered underpaid and it's only a matter of time before they extend KL for much more than he's worth. Gay and Bargnani have recently been tabbed as some of the most overpaid players in the entire league w/ DeRozan, Fields and Kleiza all on the next tier. The Raptors will have the sixth highest payroll in the league next year with no playoff appearances in the last five seasons. That is early 2000's, Isiah-Thomas-esque, New York Knicks territory.
    Casey has regressed in seemingly every measure of coaching. Any headway the team made with defense last season appears to be long gone and the offense has evolved into DeRozan, Lowry and Gay taking turns trying to go one on five. His rotations shift from confusing to mind-boggling on a game-to-game basis. His preaching of accountability appears to be only applicable when it's convenient after watching Bargnani trot out with the starters for the past few games after JV and Amir have both outplayed him this season.
    Colangelo continues to be one of the most inept general managers in the game. He has basically made it up as he has gone along since he arrived in Toronto and the results have been horrendous after he caught lightning in a bottle during his initial season. The end result is the team is capped out, has no first rounder this summer and has a roster filled with duplicate players, most of them grossly overpaid.







    Other then that, it's all good though!

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    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    The Raptors are spinning their tires as a franchise.

    The team won 35% of their games last year with a patched together roster that was one of the worst in the league on paper. This season, they're only winning 39% of their games but had to give up their first round pick, cap flexibility and young assets to do it.
    The roster is littered with overpaid players - only Amir Johnson and Lowry could be considered underpaid and it's only a matter of time before they extend KL for much more than he's worth. Gay and Bargnani have recently been tabbed as some of the most overpaid players in the entire league w/ DeRozan, Fields and Kleiza all on the next tier. The Raptors will have the sixth highest payroll in the league next year with no playoff appearances in the last five seasons. That is early 2000's, Isiah-Thomas-esque, New York Knicks territory.
    Casey has regressed in seemingly every measure of coaching. Any headway the team made with defense last season appears to be long gone and the offense has evolved into DeRozan, Lowry and Gay taking turns trying to go one on five. His rotations shift from confusing to mind-boggling on a game-to-game basis. His preaching of accountability appears to be only applicable when it's convenient after watching Bargnani trot out with the starters for the past few games after JV and Amir have both outplayed him this season.
    Colangelo continues to be one of the most inept general managers in the game. He has basically made it up as he has gone along since he arrived in Toronto and the results have been horrendous after he caught lightning in a bottle during his initial season. The end result is the team is capped out, has no first rounder this summer and has a roster filled with duplicate players, most of them grossly overpaid.
    Fine, but why are you mad? Just answer the question please.
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    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    The Raptors are spinning their tires as a franchise.

    The team won 35% of their games last year with a patched together roster that was one of the worst in the league on paper. This season, they're only winning 39% of their games but had to give up their first round pick, cap flexibility and young assets to do it.
    The roster is littered with overpaid players - only Amir Johnson and Lowry could be considered underpaid and it's only a matter of time before they extend KL for much more than he's worth. Gay and Bargnani have recently been tabbed as some of the most overpaid players in the entire league w/ DeRozan, Fields and Kleiza all on the next tier. The Raptors will have the sixth highest payroll in the league next year with no playoff appearances in the last five seasons. That is early 2000's, Isiah-Thomas-esque, New York Knicks territory.
    Casey has regressed in seemingly every measure of coaching. Any headway the team made with defense last season appears to be long gone and the offense has evolved into DeRozan, Lowry and Gay taking turns trying to go one on five. His rotations shift from confusing to mind-boggling on a game-to-game basis. His preaching of accountability appears to be only applicable when it's convenient after watching Bargnani trot out with the starters for the past few games after JV and Amir have both outplayed him this season.
    Colangelo continues to be one of the most inept general managers in the game. He has basically made it up as he has gone along since he arrived in Toronto and the results have been horrendous after he caught lightning in a bottle during his initial season. The end result is the team is capped out, has no first rounder this summer and has a roster filled with duplicate players, most of them grossly overpaid.







    Other then that, it's all good though!
    Meh, after Bargnani goes you wont have much more downside. Ross, JV, Demar are our young saviors. Lowry, Gay, Amir are our young vets. Fields, Anderson, Lucas round out the roster. Obviously we are missing that one big piece at PF to settle our 8 man rotation. But since everyone that matter is under 27 yearsold, we cant judge where the team is by its current performance, but by their development and where they could possibly be headed.

    JV for instance will add a huge dynamic to our team as he matures. The low post scoring threat is EXACTLY what we need. You know what else we need badly? 3pt shooting, and thats where Ross comes in. Both Ross and JV fill roles that are absolutely necessary and purely complimentary to this team. With their skill sets, this is a different team, but due to their immaturity and the fact that BOTH of them are rookies, we havent seen it yet, and we look more one-dimensional then we actually are.

    Next year shall give us a better idea of where Ross and JV are headed, and this team will react as they get better.

    We really are not as dead in the water as you seem to lead on.
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