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    Putting aside his salary, Gay's acquisition has not spelt a mind-boggling improvement but nevertheless some improvement is apparent. The question I'm asking is:- for the Raptors to be significant next season, does the roster need minor tweaking, a sweeping change(replace majority of the players, GM and Coach) or a bit of both(not minor nor major)?

    Personally I think the team needs to add a starting PF, a solid back up PG and a new Coach. I guess it could be called a tweak. What are your opinions? Please name names if you have them in mind. Note that tanking is also an option considering it's now only a matter of time before it becomes official that OKC will use our pick in 2013.
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    I think the team would have done a lot better standings wise if Casey wasn't such a blithering dunderhead late in games, but the team still needs serious changes.

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    Personally, I think we have the pieces to be a borderline-to-good playoff team, like Lowry, DeRozan and Rudy. JV and Ross seem to be formidable young guys that we can continue to develop. And Amir can be counted as a solid piece; his hustle is matched by no one on this team. I think we just need a more consistent bench, and maybe a starting PF since most people on this forum prefer Amir as a third big. Coaching change is most likely considered major, but I haven't really made my decision on whether or not I like DC.
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    Bench is our problem, all bench should be swept, with exceptions of Ross and Telfair imo. Casey's causing headache sometimes as well.
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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Bench is our problem, all bench should be swept, with exceptions of Ross and Telfair imo. Casey's causing headache sometimes as well.
    The main players off the Bench Bargnani(terrible slump) and Ross(Rookie problems) are not performing to potential. Fields the other significant bench player has been good when on court but hasn't played very much due to injuries. I agree. Along with acquiring a good back up PG, bench needs to be improved.
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    Tweaks are all that we need until we get a good training camp in and see what we have in our rookies. A head coaching change and maybe one or two mid level additions then see how we look.
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    Sorry...Raptors would need a major overhaul to be significant next season and that won't happen this offseason. they are just gonna hope and pray that their younger players improve next year (mainly JV and Ross, and possibly Derozan).

    Raps are a team with no real identity. They try to be a perimeter team despite being a below average outside shooting team. Gotta learn to take it to the hole with their athleticism. It's a mindset at this point that needs to be tweaked in order to improve.

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    we need a vet. center to mentor jonas (Gasol?) we need to move on from bargs!...we need someone to hack BC's Phone & remove AA & his agent from BC'S contact list!..we need to replace DC with either SVG or Mike Brown... we need a PF to either start or backup Amir...we need Rudy to shoot all summer long till his percentage gets better..We need Lowry to be Lowry...lastly if all the above doesnt happen FIRE BC!

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    I said TWEAK because improving the starting PF is the only significant improvement that I think needs to be made. Backup PG and backup C could be addressed, but they will be for limited playing time, so I don't consider them major moves.

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    C: Valanciunas
    PF: ?
    SF: Gay
    SG: DeRozan
    PG: Lowry

    2ND UNIT
    Big: Johnson
    Wing: Ross, Fields
    PG: ?

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    I said SWEEP. The teams needs a new GM. In my opinion that is a major change.. I won't be satisfied until we have someone new running the show regardless if we get a starting caliber PF and a backup PG.

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    I say tweak. Need two bigs a pf and a C and backup pg if we arent happy with telfair all though i really dont know if there's anything available worth getting. Biggest thing for me is saying goodbye to bargs one way or another.

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    Am I delusional to think that the raptors are building like the pacers. Honestly more focus on defense and somebody having a legitimate 3 ball after Lowry would make this team soooo good. This means Derozan and Gay have to improve a good chunk over the summer. Not to mention, a change in one of the assistant coaches to bring along an offensive mind could really turn this club into something special. I feel Casey should just preach defence, and leave the offence to someone else. Other than that I feel certain players have to be discarded most notably Bargs. Though I love the idea of a stretch 4, I feel like he's got no passion to the game anymore. Its what happens with 8 years of hate and multiple failed seasons. A packaged deal with him and Anderson could land a late lottery pick and some fillers.

    I want Milsap so badly on this team, a legitimate jump-shooter with crazy rebounding skills. Just drooling.... Possibly a 2nd or 3rd seed if the improvements above are taken over the summer and JV develops better defense and post moves.
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    Quote Burnit482 wrote: View Post
    I say tweak. Need two bigs a pf and a C and backup pg if we arent happy with telfair all though i really dont know if there's anything available worth getting. Biggest thing for me is saying goodbye to bargs one way or another.
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    Quote respectdmadman wrote: View Post
    Am I delusional to think that the raptors are building like the pacers. Honestly more focus on defense and somebody having a legitimate 3 ball after Lowry would make this team soooo good. This means Derozan and Gay have to improve a good chunk over the summer. Not to mention, a change in one of the assistant coaches to bring along an offensive mind could really turn this club into something special. I feel Casey should just preach defence, and leave the offence to someone else. Other than that I feel certain players have to be discarded most notably Bargs. Though I love the idea of a stretch 4, I feel like he's got no passion to the game anymore. Its what happens with 8 years of hate and multiple failed seasons. A packaged deal with him and Anderson could land a late lottery pick and some fillers.

    I want Milsap so badly on this team, a legitimate jump-shooter with crazy rebounding skills. Just drooling.... Possibly a 2nd or 3rd seed if the improvements above are taken over the summer and JV develops better defense and post moves.

    The odds of Gay improving any "chunks" at this point is unlikely. He has been in the league long enough and is technically entering his prime.

    I also think the odds of Demar becoming a 40%+ 3PT shooter is extremely unlikely.

    Milsap would be great on the team, like another Amir who can shoot, but the solution has to come from Ross being more of a consistent shooter during the year.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I said TWEAK because improving the starting PF is the only significant improvement that I think needs to be made. Backup PG and backup C could be addressed, but they will be for limited playing time, so I don't consider them major moves.

    STARTERS
    C: Valanciunas
    PF: ?
    SF: Gay
    SG: DeRozan
    PG: Lowry

    2ND UNIT
    Big: Johnson

    Wing: Ross, Fields
    PG: ?
    You don't think that Amir has proven he can start on this team? Or is it that we need another 4 and we can't afford to go out and get a 4 that's worse than amir to come off the bench (i.e. speights, brandon bass, glen davis, etc)

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    Quote JasonS wrote: View Post
    Sorry...Raptors would need a major overhaul to be significant next season and that won't happen this offseason. they are just gonna hope and pray that their younger players improve next year (mainly JV and Ross, and possibly Derozan).

    Raps are a team with no real identity. They try to be a perimeter team despite being a below average outside shooting team. Gotta learn to take it to the hole with their athleticism. It's a mindset at this point that needs to be tweaked in order to improve.
    Some very good points IMO. Regarding taking it to the hole than settling for jumpers, I think the two main things to address are:

    a) Coaching.
    b) Acquire a PF who is a very strong low post scorer and develop JV to be strong in the low post as well.

    An area that needs a lot of attention. Key to a winning team
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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    You don't think that Amir has proven he can start on this team? Or is it that we need another 4 and we can't afford to go out and get a 4 that's worse than amir to come off the bench (i.e. speights, brandon bass, glen davis, etc)
    I personally think Johnson is best suited as the backup PF / 3rd big. To balance the starting lineup, I think this team needs more of a traditional post presence who will draw double-teams, to open up driving lanes and/or spot-up 3pt shots.

    There is an outside chance that Bargnani could return such a player (I wouldn't include Ross in a potential deal), be it as a straight-up trade (ie: Boozer, possibly Gasol) or as part of a multi-team trade. However, I certainly wouldn't hold my breath that Bargnani could possibly return the quality of starting PF (without being too old and/or too expensive) we'd collectively like to see added to this roster.

    The reality of Bargnani's trade value, coupled with the depth on the wings (and the need for salaries to balance in a trade/S&T), is why I am open to the possibility of potentially trading DeRozan for a stud starting PF (ie: Millsap). Adding a stud PF to the starting lineup and moving Fields into the starting lineup (good perimeter defense, doesn't need the ball a ton, hopefully can rediscover 3pt shooting touch) would make for a very solid, balanced lineup. I don't know that I'd pull the trigger on a DeRozan trade, but I'd at least consider my options, if I were BC. The team would still have Johnson & Ross as the primary backups, along with whoever the upgraded backup PG is (pretty solid 8-man rotation).

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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    The odds of Gay improving any "chunks" at this point is unlikely. He has been in the league long enough and is technically entering his prime.

    I also think the odds of Demar becoming a 40%+ 3PT shooter is extremely unlikely.

    Milsap would be great on the team, like another Amir who can shoot, but the solution has to come from Ross being more of a consistent shooter during the year.
    I agree with a lot on what you are saying. In terms of Rudy, I just want him to take better shots, or learn what a "good shot" is. I feel that his mental aspect of game /bb iq skills could still be tweaked as a form of improvement. Though realistically I understand Rudy is definitely in his prime.

    I feel very optimistic in terms of Demar. Its just hard for me to be a realist just yet. His jumpers have not only looked better but they have become more consistent. I don't see why he can't be a Paul George-esque player in a couple years. I understand they're both different, but Demar seems to be a player that will naturally develop his game and not jump in progression like George in 3 years. We'll see next year...

    In my opinion, Lowry and Ross are the X-factors of the team. The way they evolve to fit the needs of this team will be what makes the raptors either a low seed or threat in the play-offs

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    I voted Tw-eep, although i'm not entirely clear about the definition.

    - Players on this team that I like and think can/will contribute to our success in the future:
    DD, AJ, RG, LF, KL, JV

    - Players who I think can contribute, but probably shouldn't on this team (need a change):
    AB, JLIII, LK, MP

    -Players who i'm fine with having on the team, but can take or leave depending on the situation (need filler/incentive in a trade, or would rather give their roster spot to someone else):
    AG, TR, ST, QA

    First group is basically the "core" as it is now constructed, the second group is by consensus on their way out, and the third group may get me in trouble because of Ross' inclusion (whatever its a blog). So yeah, I think we're sitting pretty good. Based on these groupings I would say that we need to address starting PF, backup center, and backup PG. I think these positions should be filled by vets, but a PF that is well on their way to "starter" designation who needs a little development would be fine with me too.

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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    Putting aside his salary, Gay's acquisition has not spelt a mind-boggling improvement but nevertheless some improvement is apparent. The question I'm asking is:- for the Raptors to be significant next season, does the roster need minor tweaking, a sweeping change(replace majority of the players, GM and Coach) or a bit of both(not minor nor major)?

    Personally I think the team needs to add a starting PF, a solid back up PG and a new Coach. I guess it could be called a tweak. What are your opinions? Please name names if you have them in mind. Note that tanking is also an option considering it's now only a matter of time before it becomes official that OKC will use our pick in 2013.
    I'm unclear on what significant means.

    *Not even going to touch what tweeping means...
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