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    Quote chris wrote: View Post
    he also played PF in college and is one inch shorter and 20 pounds heavier than amir
    Height and weight has nothing to do with it. Landry Fields plays spot minutes at the 4, and was most effective at that position. He's 6'7, about 220. Does that make him a power forward (who also played power forward at Stanford)?

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    that's just your perception and i think it's a little silly to state so unequivocally given the direction the league is headed.

    he guards fours and fours guard him. he used to guard threes but now he doesn't, and he's never been better. in 2012-2013, he is a power forward.

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    Landry Fields is a SF. There really is no argument here.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Landry Fields is a SF. There really is no argument here.
    He's actually a shooting guard. Came into the league one, played power forward in University. That's where my argument comes from, fours guard him, he guards fours. Why? Because he's plugged in the position and has to take those responsibilities. His overall game on any other team is typically translated as a small forward. Sure, small ball, international play, college, this guy can play the power forward, but in the NBA, his game is better suited as a small forward. Maybe him at the 4 position is better suited for the TEAM? Sure, it's just not his natural position.

    You can make the same argument for Durant, but he is a small forward. It's just what it is. Durant plays spot minutes at the 4, but he is a small forward. Durant can play at the four, he could likely play at the 4, etc, etc, etc. It's just his natural position.

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    Quote chris wrote: View Post
    that's just your perception and i think it's a little silly to state so unequivocally given the direction the league is headed.

    he guards fours and fours guard him. he used to guard threes but now he doesn't, and he's never been better. in 2012-2013, he is a power forward.
    lol okay, but in NBA basketball he is a small forward.

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    i love amir johnson's game...he definitely is under-appreciated..i do think he slips in the top 15 power forwards...but easily top three in energy...and u dont have to be a raptors fan to know that...amir johnson is a pest for other teams...he sets screens well, he is a great rebounder, he even developed a shot...what will take amir to the next level is if he works on his post moves, perfect his jumper and foul less...when he is on the court he does create problems for other teams..the problem is he needs to become smarter with fouling...i will never hate aggressive d...but there are times where he should use his i.q to stay in the game...n e ways im happy he is our team. go raps!

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    Amir Johnson: 4 questions, 4 answers.

    1) Is he a top 15 PF? I say no.

    2) Is he the raptors most talented player? Again I say no.

    3) Should he be the captain of the Raptors? I say yes.

    4) Can a team win the conference finals with Amir as their starting PF or Center, I say yes.

    Questions 4 is more important than question 1&2.

    Amir is turning out to be a big plus defensively, and has developed a really effective offensive game, for the first time this season he's shown the he has the ability of nice big to big passes. He's still really young and hasn't hit his ceiling, although he may be getting very close. The more I see of him, the more I think it'll be harder to get someone who is more effective to start in front of him.

    I think Amir and JV could be a scary frontcourt to deal with, both defensively AND offensively, even though both don't need a lot of offensive touches to be effective.

    Even if we don't get anything more out of Gay, Derozan, or Amir, if Lowry plays a little better, and JV improves incrementally, this team could be looking at a 5th-6th seed. And that's assuming bargs can't be traded and has to come in off the bench (or he starts games but Amir+JV Finishes them). Unless there's trade that blows the team up, or some really serious injuries I can't see the raps NOT making the playoffs next year.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Landry Fields is a SF. There really is no argument here.
    Not to stick my nose in a thread derrailling 'what position does Landry Fields play' debate, but it should be rather obvious.

    1% of minutes at SG
    19% of minutes at SF
    1% of minutes at PF

    (based on available minutes to play)

    As a % of minutes he's played (approx.)

    5% at SG
    90% at SF
    5% at PF

    Fields is a SF

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    I've been saying all along that we should keep Amir and trade Davis. Glad it worked out that way.

    But Amir isn't the offensive threat we need in the low post. I'd like to see someone down there with enough offensive skill to draw double-teams on every possession (i.e. the way Bosh used to). If Jonas can turn into that player, then I have no problem starting Amir. If not, Amir is the perfect "first big off the bench".

    But whether Amir's starting or not, he deserves ~30mpg.
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    Amir would be an above average backup PF / 3rd big. However, I think he'a a borderline starter at best.

    The biggest problem for me is that he's not nearly the scoring threat that the true star PFs are. He gets a few P&R baskets, a few garbage baskets and will hit a few jump shots, but he's not enough of a scorer to demand double-teams and isn't a good enough all-around player to run the offense through (the way the Raps used to run it through Bosh). Basically, despite some impressive advanced stats, he doesn't really do anything to open the floor up for Gay, DeRozan and Lowry.

    I would like a traditional low-post PF who will make the entire team's offense better, allowing Amir to feast on the opposition's 2nd unit as the team's 3rd big.
    Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Tue Mar 12th, 2013 at 11:21 AM.

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    Pretty much agree with everything said on here. Amir is a solid starting PF, but I would love him as the #1 big off the bench getting around 30 mins a game.

    Raps primary needs heading into the offseason are a low-post threat and an upgrade in 3pt shooting, IMO

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    apparently the Raps are interested in Carl Landry (realgm.com)

    The Toronto Raptors are expected to pursue Carl Landry this offseason if he opts out of his contract with the Golden State Warriors, according to a source.
    thoughts?

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    Quote connected wrote: View Post
    apparently the Raps are interested in Carl Landry (realgm.com)



    thoughts?
    Love his work ethic, but speaking in terms of offensive balance, I don't think he fills the hole we currently have in the front court (although his back-to-the-basket game is better than Amir, Jonas or Gray).
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    I would say Amir is the top backup big in the NBA

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    We should run our offense through amir johnson and make him the franchise player then retire his jersey and laugh at vince carter

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    I would say Amir is the top backup big in the NBA
    Hmmmmm. Maybe.

    - Landry in GS.
    - Kanter/Favors in Utah.
    - Collison in OKC.


    There are a couple more, but can't run off the top of my head. That definitely is a bold statement, but he is definitely right up there, or in the running for it, if not THE best backup big in the league.
    His production and improvement seems to justify it though.

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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    Is Amir a top 15 power forward in the NBA?
    No.
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    Amir is a warrior plain and simple. What I find really amazing is that he seems to have stepped his game up since Jose's departure though I don't have any stats to back that up. Amir is one of the players I would have thought would suffer the most with Jose gone.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Amir is a warrior plain and simple. What I find really amazing is that he seems to have stepped his game up since Jose's departure though I don't have any stats to back that up. Amir is one of the players I would have thought would suffer the most with Jose gone.
    I think guys that suffer the most from Jose's departure are the ones that ran around trying to get open.. like a Terrence Ross. Amir's not getting the lobs he used to get from Jose but he's got other ways of getting his hands on the ball (ie: the ways that Bargnani is unfamiliar with).
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    Perhaps another angle we can take is how much you'd be willing to pay Amir Johnson. For a guy making $6M per year, all is fine and dandy because you can ignore some of his shortcomings because he's such a bargain. However, if his agent thinks his client is a top 15 PF, then he'd demand a competitive salary. He'd be asking for around what Bargnani is earning, which is around $11M next year. That's nearly double of what Amir is making and not something I'd be willing to pay.

    He seems like a good hustle player that you'd want to keep around, but the question is how much do you pay for a guy that based on this thread so far, you're not sure whether or not he should be a starter. $11M seems like too much.
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