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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    Im not sure what i should think about this.
    I just looked at Landry's game logs and he's pretty much like Amir.
    If they do pursue him, does it mean theyre sticking with Amir as a starter? Yikes.

    I was hoping they go after either Boozer or David West.
    Why anyone would consider trading Amir or suggest he can't cut it is beyond me. Anyone who watches every game knows what the deal is.

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    why would anyone want either boozer or west in our team?....want to see how players decline after their prime?

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    Quote blz wrote: View Post
    why would anyone want either boozer or west in our team?....want to see how players decline after their prime?
    I don't know...I understand what you mean, but this Raptors team could really use one or two key vets (as in not just guys with experience, but guys with big game experience who have a couple of good years left). I mean, out of our core, the most "veteran" players we have will be Amir, Gay and Lowry....the team definitely lacks some kind of veteran presence.

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    How the heck do you see us landing David West?
    I dont know, but i asked the same question before Gay came to Toronto.

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    Quote blz wrote: View Post
    why would anyone want either boozer or west in our team?....want to see how players decline after their prime?
    Have you seen any chicago or indiana games this season? Do these two look like theyre significantly declining?

    Of course every player slows down with age but surely you dont expect that if the Raps acquire either of these two next season, that from 15/9 and 18/8 theyll decline to 5/5 within the next 2 or 3 seasons, or are you? If yes then you do have a point. But IMO, highly unlikely.

    And the good thing is these two are playing between 31-33 mins this season, which gives their next teams a bit of a break since their not as heavy minute guys as they used to be.
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    Hmm, so if we were to sign and trade for Landry and we gave up a package built around Bargnani, we would have to take on a contract like Biedrins too? I would not really be against something like that seeing that his last season with that contract is 2013-2014, and he is a 9 mil expiring contract. And, for that one season, he would back up JV...or maybe back up Gray...

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    Quote Sprechen wrote: View Post
    Why anyone would consider trading Amir or suggest he can't cut it is beyond me. Anyone who watches every game knows what the deal is.
    I'm not in favor of trading Amir, i'd want the Raptors to get a starting PF and let Amir back him up.

    But if the Raps are indeed pursuing Landry, then they possibly might trade Amir since Landry makes him redundant, specially with his contract.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    I'm not in favor of trading Amir, i'd want the Raptors to get a starting PF and let Amir back him up.

    But if the Raps are indeed pursuing Landry, then they possibly might trade Amir since Landry makes him redundant, specially with his contract.
    Amir and Landry are not similar players, at all....they both fit in the same place in a pecking order, but have different skill sets. If you can't get an upgraded starter, not bad to have 2 borderline starters with different abilities. Their contracts would still add up to less than what Boozer will be making, to take one example. And the production would only be slightly less, with Landry actually scoring from pretty similar spots as Boozer.

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    Landry as a backup 4, yeah i wouldn't mind. But as a starter? NO WAY!
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    First Johnson and now Landry. Is Bryan trying to fill a team with similar names?

    I bet he will offer him Kleiza money. 4 years / 18.8M is what Kleiza got. Landry will be looking for a long term deal for that kind of money.. and Bryan won't hesitate.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Landry as a backup 4, yeah i wouldn't mind. But as a starter? NO WAY!
    And there are positives to that. The JV/Amir tandem has looked VERY promising on D. They could start, and Casey wouldn't have to be too paranoid about Amir's fouls with Landry behind him. Similarly, if JV struggles, or if they just want two post guys on the floor, Landry can fill a scoring role that Amir can't. Will Carl Landry make this team a contender? No, he's not that kind of difference-maker. He will bring stability to the PF spot, not kill the team financially, and still make them at least a slightly better team.

    Again, if they're going after Landry, it's likely because they can't acquire someone they'd prefer as a target. Sometimes that's a blessing in disguise with BC.

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    Honestly. If any of you were Golden State Warriors. Would you not want to play for them? Maybe he is a cash stingy player? But honestly there are few better places to be at the moment. BTW I'd love him here either backing up Johnson or being backed up by him. Don't care

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    First Johnson and now Landry. Is Bryan trying to fill a team with similar names?

    I bet he will offer him Kleiza money. 4 years / 18.8M is what Kleiza got. Landry will be looking for a long term deal for that kind of money.. and Bryan won't hesitate.
    I hope it's not that kind of deal. 2 years at a payraise would be good I think. Of course BC can be a moron.

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    Well, there are not really a lot of options:

    Josh Smith, David West, Paul Milsap, Boris Diaw, J.J. Hickson & Carl Landry

    I think Carl Landry is a 3rd big off the bench but I would say he's more offensively skilled than Amir. Whereas, Amir is a better defender and rim presence.

    Rebounding wise, I think it's a wash.

    If we sign him for the MLE, that would be a good signing relative to the Kleiza & Kapono signing. He would be a veteran piece that we can use.

    But my preference remains in signing David West, via sign and trade.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Amir and Landry are not similar players, at all....they both fit in the same place in a pecking order, but have different skill sets. If you can't get an upgraded starter, not bad to have 2 borderline starters with different abilities. Their contracts would still add up to less than what Boozer will be making, to take one example. And the production would only be slightly less, with Landry actually scoring from pretty similar spots as Boozer.
    I must admit i am not too familiar with Landry's game. Im going by the game logs which seems to show Amir-like numbers.

    Will he address the post-up, rebounding, interior D that the Raps sorely need?

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    I just feel that our rebounding wont improve with Carl Landry.
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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    I must admit i am not too familiar with Landry's game. Im going by the game logs which seems to show Amir-like numbers.

    Will he address the post-up, rebounding, interior D that the Raps sorely need?
    Everything except interior D. I don't know if he's a shitty defender, but I don't think he's a great one. He will score, and he will rebound.

    Shot charts for he and Boozer.....
    http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart...layerID=201171
    http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2430
    Landry clearly has less usage...but he finishes a lot near the basket, where th bulk of his attempts are. He is also pretty efficient in the midrange areas as a decent shooter.

    Rebounding per 36 numbers for a bunch of PFs some of whom might be moving
    Landry 9.4
    Boozer 10.6
    Amir (for fun) 9.4
    Ersan 8.8
    West 8.3
    Gasol 8.6 (and very hard to know without seeing him play again how effective he'll be next season)
    Scola 8.6

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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure they can do a sign-and-trade with Landry. My understanding is that because he signed there as a free agent last offseason, they won't even have early bird rights to him unless he picks up his option and stays for another year. Without any sort of bird rights, they can't go over the cap to sign him, even in a sign-and-trade scenario. A team can't use their MLE or mini-MLE to sign a player that they intend to move in a sign-and-trade. And they're well over the cap now with no chance of getting under it unless Biedrins and and Jefferson don't pick up their options. So unless I'm missing something (and it's totally possible I am), I don't see how GSW can sign-and-trade him.
    Kind of right.... definitely more right than I was originally... cause I was not right.... at all.

    I believe he can be signed and traded but it would be for no more than 120% of his previous salary ($4.8M starting per year).

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    Ah yes, it seems you're right. I totally forgot about the non-bird exception.

    So then the next question would be matching salary. Something like Landry + Rush for Bargnani might work. And Rush takes the role of injured-for-pretty-much-the-whole-season wing player, which will be left vacant after we amnesty Kleiza. But you never know, maybe Rush gets healthy, in which case he's a tolerable one year contract.

    My guess is that the Warriors value their massive 2014 cap space to much too take on a big contract that runs to summer of 2015. But you never know.
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    I wouldn't mind Landry but I want us to pursue elton brand as well. He's the type of veteran big we need
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