why would anyone want either boozer or west in our team?....want to see how players decline after their prime?
Of course every player slows down with age but surely you dont expect that if the Raps acquire either of these two next season, that from 15/9 and 18/8 theyll decline to 5/5 within the next 2 or 3 seasons, or are you? If yes then you do have a point. But IMO, highly unlikely.
And the good thing is these two are playing between 31-33 mins this season, which gives their next teams a bit of a break since their not as heavy minute guys as they used to be.
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Hmm, so if we were to sign and trade for Landry and we gave up a package built around Bargnani, we would have to take on a contract like Biedrins too? I would not really be against something like that seeing that his last season with that contract is 2013-2014, and he is a 9 mil expiring contract. And, for that one season, he would back up JV...or maybe back up Gray...
Landry as a backup 4, yeah i wouldn't mind. But as a starter? NO WAY!
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First Johnson and now Landry. Is Bryan trying to fill a team with similar names?
I bet he will offer him Kleiza money. 4 years / 18.8M is what Kleiza got. Landry will be looking for a long term deal for that kind of money.. and Bryan won't hesitate.
Again, if they're going after Landry, it's likely because they can't acquire someone they'd prefer as a target. Sometimes that's a blessing in disguise with BC.
Honestly. If any of you were Golden State Warriors. Would you not want to play for them? Maybe he is a cash stingy player? But honestly there are few better places to be at the moment. BTW I'd love him here either backing up Johnson or being backed up by him. Don't care
Well, there are not really a lot of options:
Josh Smith, David West, Paul Milsap, Boris Diaw, J.J. Hickson & Carl Landry
I think Carl Landry is a 3rd big off the bench but I would say he's more offensively skilled than Amir. Whereas, Amir is a better defender and rim presence.
Rebounding wise, I think it's a wash.
If we sign him for the MLE, that would be a good signing relative to the Kleiza & Kapono signing. He would be a veteran piece that we can use.
But my preference remains in signing David West, via sign and trade.
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I just feel that our rebounding wont improve with Carl Landry.
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Shot charts for he and Boozer.....
Landry clearly has less usage...but he finishes a lot near the basket, where th bulk of his attempts are. He is also pretty efficient in the midrange areas as a decent shooter.
Rebounding per 36 numbers for a bunch of PFs some of whom might be moving
Amir (for fun) 9.4
Gasol 8.6 (and very hard to know without seeing him play again how effective he'll be next season)
I believe he can be signed and traded but it would be for no more than 120% of his previous salary ($4.8M starting per year).
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Ah yes, it seems you're right. I totally forgot about the non-bird exception.
So then the next question would be matching salary. Something like Landry + Rush for Bargnani might work. And Rush takes the role of injured-for-pretty-much-the-whole-season wing player, which will be left vacant after we amnesty Kleiza. But you never know, maybe Rush gets healthy, in which case he's a tolerable one year contract.
My guess is that the Warriors value their massive 2014 cap space to much too take on a big contract that runs to summer of 2015. But you never know.
Last edited by octothorp; Tue Mar 12th, 2013 at 05:44 PM.
I wouldn't mind Landry but I want us to pursue elton brand as well. He's the type of veteran big we need
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