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    Final rant of night: Gay.

    I am now understanding the frustrations with him.... and I am not talking offense. His defense is brutally inconsistent. I hope it is because of his back.... but somehow I don't think it is.




    Lastly, Raps deserved to lose this game. Awful team effort.
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    Raptors haven't had an established coach since Lenny Wilkens. And Lenny imo was the successful coach in this team's history.

    Think about it, Raps head coaches since Lenny was let go:

    O'neill - rookie
    Mitchell - rookie
    Triano - rookie
    Casey - 1 year experience

    Brutal.
    I hated Lenny. He didn't really coach. He was well over a generation behind on the game by the time he was coaching the Raptors.

    But yes, they have not had an "established" coach since him. If they do hire another one, it has to be for competence. They needed to hire someone like Lenny, a respected name in the NBA, since they were such a young franchise with a young star that just had a messy (and stupid) situation blow up with their previous coach.

    I don't know who they could hire. The names I like are Sloan and SVG, but those guys could probably also basically handpick their situation. Not a big JVG fan, as his teams were so boring to watch. Not a big Mike Brown fan, either, since he could be an option...

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I hated Lenny. He didn't really coach. He was well over a generation behind on the game by the time he was coaching the Raptors.

    But yes, they have not had an "established" coach since him. If they do hire another one, it has to be for competence. They needed to hire someone like Lenny, a respected name in the NBA, since they were such a young franchise with a young star that just had a messy (and stupid) situation blow up with their previous coach.

    I don't know who they could hire. The names I like are Sloan and SVG, but those guys could probably also basically handpick their situation. Not a big JVG fan, as his teams were so boring to watch. Not a big Mike Brown fan, either, since he could be an option...
    I really like the idea of SVG. Not sure he is actually an option as he can most likely pick any team in search of a coach. He is a damn good coach though and Toronto would be extremely luck to have him.
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    Nate McMillan. But if the Kings move to Seattle next year it's pretty obvious he'll be coaching that team.

    My 2 choices if the Raps hire another one would be either Jeff or Stan Van Gundy.
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    Casey won't be fired unless the team start the season like they did this year. He won't be given 23 games. More like 15 games.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I really like the idea of SVG. Not sure he is actually an option as he can most likely pick any team in search of a coach. He is a damn good coach though and Toronto would be extremely luck to have him.
    Heck, if they're serious about winning, and being willing to spend, they'd at least have to ask about him. SVG would be choice #1 in terms of there at least being some remote possibility.

    Also, I don't like McMillan either. He's too tough and really benefitted from drafting a young "vet" with Roy. I don't think anybody liked playing for him. It really didn't take long for him to lose the team after Roy got injured. Guys have to like playing for the coach.

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    Matt and Leo piss me right off too.

    "since going 4-19 to start, Raps are 22-22 (now 22-23). No question they are a .500 team and in the east that gets you in to the playoffs."



    Ummmm, a few things:

    1) Raps are now under .500 since 4-19 start because they lost for the 2nd time against the WORST team in the league.
    2) .500 doesn't get you in to the playoffs in the east. .500 gets you tied for 8th with MIL who have won the season series with you.
    3) Losing 2 games to the Bobcats (the worst team in the league) this season and barely beating them at home does not look like .500 ball to me.
    4) a 9-25 road record does not scream .500 to me (8-11road record since 4-19overall/1-14road start).


    I am so sick of listening to the hype and spin by blow hards like Matt and Leo. You really shouldn't get too hyped after a win and too down after a loss but this loss (and the one to Cleveland and Washington when playoffs were actually probable) are infuriating and show just how low of a ceiling the Raptors have as currently constructed and coached.
    How embarrassing will it be if/when the wizards actually pass the raptors in the standings (who actually beat the heat twice this season)

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    John Wall btw was named the EC Player of the week. Wizards are 18-14 with him in the lineup.

    I'm just saying....
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    izards are better than they look on paper thats for sure, I just cant believe the bench play is so goddam awful for us year round all of our starters tonight put up double figures.... Ross the rookie was the leading bench scorer with 4 points. Just disgusting. I have no confidence in my team when The starters sit.

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    This is a legit standing lineup!

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    I can't wait for Colangelo's end-of-season presser. Lucy's got some 'splaining to do....
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I can't wait for Colangelo's end-of-season presser. Lucy's got some 'splaining to do....
    It'll be the same BS he always spews.. bad start, blame Bargnani, throw Casey under the bus, got Gay and were playing .500 with him. Need to improve as a team but chemistry will be good coming into next season, blah, blah...

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    Usually I go to bed and get up indifferent.

    I'm still, I wouldn't say pissed, but something close to it..... irritated... yeah, irritated.
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    It'll be the same BS he always spews.. bad start, blame Bargnani, throw Casey under the bus, got Gay and were playing .500 with him. Need to improve as a team but chemistry will be good coming into next season, blah, blah...
    Exactly. Don't forget we also had 2 rookies. They'll develop into superstars, according to him.
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    It'll be the same BS he always spews.. bad start, blame Bargnani, throw Casey under the bus, got Gay and were playing .500 with him. Need to improve as a team but chemistry will be good coming into next season, blah, blah...
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    Exactly. Don't forget we also had 2 rookies. They'll develop into superstars, according to him.
    I wonder what he'll say on the much ballyhooed cap flexibility he bragged about over the past 2 years.....
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post

    I am so sick of listening to the hype and spin by blow hards like Matt and Leo. You really shouldn't get too hyped after a win and too down after a loss but this loss (and the one to Cleveland and Washington when playoffs were actually probable) are infuriating and show just how low of a ceiling the Raptors have as currently constructed and coached.
    As I have been cautioning, people are way, way too optimistic about this roster. JV, Derozan, Lowry and Gay all played pretty good last night (even Amir had his moments on an off night for him) and they still lost to the worst team in the NBA. It isn't just about adding a backup PG and 3pt shooter, the key players on this team don't fit together at a fundamental level.

    With respect to Matt and Leo, I now just listen to music and watch the game. I'd ask, "who do they think they are fooling with this nonsense?' but then I come on Raps' websites and realize they are still fooling a lot of people.

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    I can't wait for Colangelo's end-of-season presser. Lucy's got some 'splaining to do....
    Colangelo, Year End Presser Summary:

    - Everyone is disappointed in the results. Not what we thought they'd be.
    - Rough start put us in a hole. Trying to integrate rookies, tough schedule and injuries took their toll early.
    - Lost a lot of close games. Some bad calls. Couple of those go our way and things are different.
    - Played 500 after Gay trade. Gay and Lowry learning new system and each other. Will be better next year.
    - Gay is a star talent. Top 5 SF in NBA. Still recovering from shoulder injury. "Elite" player.
    - Derozan improved a lot. Took another step. Emerging as a top SG. Working out with Gary Payton who loves him. Happy with the extension. Did I mention Gary Payton?
    - JV had some growing pains but showed flashes of being a franchise type player. Very productive for young big coming from Europe. Takes bigs a long time to develop. So many teams praise the pick, want him in trades. Get calls all the time. Huge steal at #5.
    - Amir broke out. People questioned the contract but he's earned it. Now looks like a great deal.
    - Bargnani struggled with injuries. Never got on track. Still highly valued around the league and in Toronto. Still can be an important piece for us. Get calls all the time about Andrea.
    - Will be aggressive in off season. Always looking to improve the team. May use amnesty if opportunities arise. Like some players out there. Making calls everyday. Add complimentary pieces.
    - Happy with general progress of team. Building a balanced team. Focus on defense and team play. Look at Memphis and Indiana. Internal development. Need patience. Next year will be more competitive. Should be competing for playoff spot.

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    One minor observation from last night's game: Amir Johnson is the only player in the starting 5 that can make a proper entry pass into the post. That makes me sad.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    One minor observation from last night's game: Amir Johnson is the only player in the starting 5 that can make a proper entry pass into the post. That makes me sad.
    I know, right? This is actually a little thing Bargs was good for. With his size and length, and the fact that his defender pretty much always backs off him on the perimeter, he was probably our best entry passer from the perimeter this season. Extra sad.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Colangelo, Year End Presser Summary:

    - Everyone is disappointed in the results. Not what we thought they'd be.
    - Rough start put us in a hole. Trying to integrate rookies, tough schedule and injuries took their toll early.
    - Lost a lot of close games. Some bad calls. Couple of those go our way and things are different.
    - Played 500 after Gay trade. Gay and Lowry learning new system and each other. Will be better next year.
    - Gay is a star talent. Top 5 SF in NBA. Still recovering from shoulder injury. "Elite" player.
    - Derozan improved a lot. Took another step. Emerging as a top SG. Working out with Gary Payton who loves him. Happy with the extension. Did I mention Gary Payton?
    - JV had some growing pains but showed flashes of being a franchise type player. Very productive for young big coming from Europe. Takes bigs a long time to develop. So many teams praise the pick, want him in trades. Get calls all the time. Huge steal at #5.
    - Amir broke out. People questioned the contract but he's earned it. Now looks like a great deal.
    - Bargnani struggled with injuries. Never got on track. Still highly valued around the league and in Toronto. Still can be an important piece for us. Get calls all the time about Andrea.
    - Will be aggressive in off season. Always looking to improve the team. May use amnesty if opportunities arise. Like some players out there. Making calls everyday. Add complimentary pieces.
    - Happy with general progress of team. Building a balanced team. Focus on defense and team play. Look at Memphis and Indiana. Internal development. Need patience. Next year will be more competitive. Should be competing for playoff spot.
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