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    Default Can someone explain to me what Casey is doing wrong?

    I see a lot of fire the coach around here. What's up with that?

    Offensively these are some if the best offensive sets I seem run in toronto ever !

    The defensive is solid

    Are people mad cause Ross is not in the game more? Well he needs to hit his open shots first.

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    iso/iso/amir pnr that's what I usually see. This pattern throughout 48 minutes, couldnt call it very solid.
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    they desperately need an set offense. the following are things that I think could work based on skillsets

    run sets through Amir and Jonas more often in the pinch post. Both can make teams pay for not respecting their shot from there.

    PnR with Jonas and Amir more often.

    keep in mind DeRozan and Gay will be the ones running off the screens and in that deep is a much better mid range option.

    When the clock gets to 5 the majority of the time the ball needs to get back to Lowry. I'd rather one of his long range bombs over Gay and DeRozan getting stripped in the paint any day.

    Drive and kicks with Gay and Ross in both corners could be effective.

    Backdoor cuts with Fields and DeRozan.

    Short of that an actual system needs to be installed. If we are going to get back to grimey D next year (fuck I hope so) then the Triangle is something that could be effective given the interior passing of Amir and the development of JV. It would allow Lowry and Ross to thrive on open 3s as well. When you augment the triangle with a transition game things get interesting.

    I don't see Princeton working with this squad. Flex could be effective...

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    JV and AMIR ISOs are effective but should be limited

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    People want more structure. I'm of the opinion the defense is a bigger issue, our offense is actually pretty good most of the time. Basically, we're losing and replacing the coach is an easy way to make a change. Casey isn't perfect, but we have bigger issues than coaching.
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    The main issue is nobody except Amir and DeRozan know Casey's system, and the new guys were brought in and somewhere along the lines BC wanted to make Casey not coach his strengths and make the team high octane run and gun. The Raptors right now are all falling back on whatever works for them relying on their natural abilities to win because the system is being reestablished on the fly

    Everyone on the team is new and ran a different style during training camp.. Raps never continued what was built upon.
    I hear a lot of people say o we need Jose we need Jose ridiculous... Jose was obviously shining because hes been here for 7 years knows everyone on the team and where there game is Calderon never exactly led the Raps to success... getting a flow offensively takes a little time.

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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    I see a lot of fire the coach around here. What's up with that?

    Offensively these are some if the best offensive sets I seem run in toronto ever !

    The defensive is solid


    Are people mad cause Ross is not in the game more? Well he needs to hit his open shots first.
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    too much iso, not enough ball movement, our pick and roll is all but gone except for amir.

    we have no team identity.

    training camp can't come soon enough.

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    Playing too much small lineups!
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    I don't like all the isolation plays for DeMar and Gay either, but you don't pay a guy $15 Million to play to his weakness. Our personnel dictates what type of offense we run. Ball movement is great if you have players that can hit perimeter shots, but it's not a strength on this team at the moment.

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    Quote grindhouse wrote: View Post
    Offensively these are some if the best offensive sets I seem run in toronto ever !
    Really?
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    I will agree to some extent that the whole "Casey's offense is terrible" meme is overblown. The Raps are better than league average in OffRtg and rank somewhere between 11 and 15 depending on the site referenced.

    Two observations though. First, while Toronto runs some good sets, they don't get good looks out of them. One really nice play they run has JV set the high screen for Lowry; JV rolls off and sets a 'pindown' screen for Derozan. Simultaneously, Amir and Gay have weakside action for gay to post-up. It's a good set. Problem is that it will typically result in a midrange jumper. I feel like a lot of the sets are catered to setting up jumpers. The other big offensive issue is the ball movement. There are not enough capable or willing passers out there. When defenses dig in, the ball stops and the offense sputters. That's part personnel, part coach.

    My bigger beefs with Casey are: the defense (24th in the NBA), style of play (excruciatingly slow), questionable rotations, terrible fourth quarter execution. Not all of it is on Casey (Colangelo is ultimately to blame for this frankenstein monster of a roster) but he hasn't helped the situation.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    I will agree to some extent that the whole "Casey's offense is terrible" meme is overblown. The Raps are better than league average in OffRtg and rank somewhere between 11 and 15 depending on the site referenced.

    Two observations though. First, while Toronto runs some good sets, they don't get good looks out of them. One really nice play they run has JV set the high screen for Lowry; JV rolls off and sets a 'pindown' screen for Derozan. Simultaneously, Amir and Gay have weakside action for gay to post-up. It's a good set. Problem is that it will typically result in a midrange jumper. I feel like a lot of the sets are catered to setting up jumpers. The other big offensive issue is the ball movement. There are not enough capable or willing passers out there. When defenses dig in, the ball stops and the offense sputters. That's part personnel, part coach.

    My bigger beefs with Casey are: the defense (24th in the NBA), style of play (excruciatingly slow), questionable rotations, terrible fourth quarter execution. Not all of it is on Casey (Colangelo is ultimately to blame for this frankenstein monster of a roster) but he hasn't helped the situation.
    I figure we are a solid jump-shooting team, with DeRozan and Rudy both able to consistently hit from midrange. But you are right...when the shot isn't falling, this team struggles MIGHTILY to put the ball in the basket.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I figure we are a solid jump-shooting team, with DeRozan and Rudy both able to consistently hit from midrange. But you are right...when the shot isn't falling, this team struggles MIGHTILY to put the ball in the basket.
    It sounds like what you are saying is that we should trade Amir and T. Ross for Al Horford

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    It sounds like what you are saying is that we should trade Amir and T. Ross for Al Horford
    Wasn't what I was inferring, but I'd consider doing that trade.
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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    I will agree to some extent that the whole "Casey's offense is terrible" meme is overblown. The Raps are better than league average in OffRtg and rank somewhere between 11 and 15 depending on the site referenced.

    Two observations though. First, while Toronto runs some good sets, they don't get good looks out of them. One really nice play they run has JV set the high screen for Lowry; JV rolls off and sets a 'pindown' screen for Derozan. Simultaneously, Amir and Gay have weakside action for gay to post-up. It's a good set. Problem is that it will typically result in a midrange jumper. I feel like a lot of the sets are catered to setting up jumpers. The other big offensive issue is the ball movement. There are not enough capable or willing passers out there. When defenses dig in, the ball stops and the offense sputters. That's part personnel, part coach.

    My bigger beefs with Casey are: the defense (24th in the NBA), style of play (excruciatingly slow), questionable rotations, terrible fourth quarter execution. Not all of it is on Casey (Colangelo is ultimately to blame for this frankenstein monster of a roster) but he hasn't helped the situation.
    I base my opinions on the Raptors since the Gay trade. Now the sample size is small (24 games) but it is still alarming in my opinion.

    Since February 1st the Raptors are 21st in DefRtg and 23rd in OffRtg.

    They are 18th in pace.

    I am not a fan of the rotations, decisions, inability to execute at crucial times, and use of talent on the roster.

    I also agree there are bigger issues than Casey and they start and end with Colangelo.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I base my opinions on the Raptors since the Gay trade. Now the sample size is small (24 games) but it is still alarming in my opinion.

    Since February 1st the Raptors are 21st in DefRtg and 23rd in OffRtg.

    They are 18th in pace.

    I am not a fan of the rotations, decisions, inability to execute at crucial times, and use of talent on the roster.

    I also agree there are bigger issues than Casey and they start and end with Colangelo.
    Yep...It's difficult to think of teams that have been more poorly managed than Toronto since BC arrived. Obviously not every move he makes is garbage, but the roster has often been pretty garbage as a whole. The team seems to always have a flawed roster, and on top of that, has not been able to create an area of strength to make up for it. Again, it's not easy to think of more poorly managed teams in the last few years...Sacramento, Charlotte, Washington, Detroit. That's hardly the kind of company any of us expected this team to be in when they hired Colangelo.

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    according to NBA.com the offense is 15th right now since the loss of Gay with his injury, top 10 with Gay.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    according to NBA.com the offense is 15th right now since the loss of Gay with his injury, top 10 with Gay.
    Give a direct link please, because I don't believe that for one jota.

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    Check the power rankings on NBA.com

    http://www.nba.com/2013/news/powerra...?ls=nbahpfull1

    Raptors
    Pace: 92.9 (24), OffRtg: 102.9 (14), DefRtg: 105.0 (23), NetRtg: -2.1 (20)

    the current core needs a training camp under Casey to reestablish the defensive identity. The starters rank well defensively the bench just generates all negatives which results in our current low defensive rating 23.... :O

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