Jose is good. REALLY REALLY good. but the best that "good" can be, still isn't GREAT.
I left the eight "To Be Determined" spots between VC and Garbs because Garbs was the best player on that Atlantic division championship team BY FAR... but it was a championship in horribly weak division... without him, the lesser talented players on the team weren't even able to pretend to be competitive
the optimist in me says we'll eventually have a championship in a competitive division some day, and those spots are reserved for them.
Here are the greats you excluded:
Oakley should be in there, I say 3 seasons is clearly enough to establish yourself. After all, when we whine about a lack of tough defense we often site the 'Oakley' years.
Keon Clark should always get a honourable mention, just because.
Anthony Parker, because no one knew who he was, and then we did, and we're all better people for having him spent time here.
Chris Childs - A.K.A. - Little Mugger - He makes my 'not so' honourable mention. If he isn't out there stabbing someone, well, I guess that's a good thing for whomever.
GarJo, not Garbo, Garjo - 2 games people, that was it. Wow.
Doug Christie might be a little higher in my list. If someone says Tracey Murray, I get punchy.
Voshon Leonard and Milt Palacio are being ignored on this thread....that's a bummer haha.
Donyell Marshall? didn't he set the 3pt record with the raps
When I think "great Raptors" I think not only skilled players on the court, but impactful from a franchise perspective too.
I really think finding 10 legit options is a stretch for such a young franchise. Here are the guys I would include on any "great Raptors" list:
1. Damon Stoudamire - Mighty Mouse introduced the basketball world to the Raptors and Toronto
2. Vince Carter - Vinsanity brought Raptors basketball to a whole new level
3. Chris Bosh - CB4 ended the Raptors' post-VC dark ages
4. Morris Peterson - Mr. Raptor had the heart, hustle and skill, should have been the first 'lifer'
I think there's a significant drop to whoever would qualify for #5 on that list. Alvin Williams, Jose Calderon, Doug Christie and JYD are the guys who jump out as being in the next tier, but I don't think any of them deserve to be mentioned with those 4.
This list is all about the most talented players that ever played for this franchise. Do you really think JYD is a better player than Bargnani? get off the Haterade.
This still isn't as fun as talking about scrubs....I was able to list 10 Cs of various scrubbiness and still leave off guys like Patrick O'Bryant, Solomon Alabi, Alexis Ajinca, as someone else noted, Aleks Radojevic, and countless others...Really, it gets hard to keep thinking of scrub bigs the Raps have had, because there are just too many. (That's why I appreciate having a prospect like JV so much)
And in the biggest mistake of all time, I can't believe I had that list, and that Yogi Stewart wasn't on it...my bad.
We don't have anyone who can be considered Great from the NBA level other than Vince Carter.
Here are my Top 10 Greatest Raptors - which doesn't have to mean great players, but great for this franchise.
#1 - Vince Carter - no explanation needed
#2 - Chris Bosh - no explanation needed
#3 - Morris Peterson - 542 games played, Franchise all-time leader; 371 consecutive games played - Raps Iron-Man; all-time 3 pt leader with 801
#4 - Damon Stoudamire - by winning the rookie of the year award (avg 19 pts, 9 assists), he gave instant credibility to the new franchise, holds numerous assists records still
#5 - Jose Calderon - 525 games played, second all-time
#6 - Antonio Davis - highest rebounding season in franchise (787) and 2nd all-time in RPG with 9.2 (Bosh leads with 9.4)
#7 - Tracy McGrady - dunk contest in 2000 helped elevate franchise, phenominal scorer, biggest "what if"
#8 - Charles Oakley - one of 3 players to grab over 700 boards in a season for the Raps, toughness changed the culture, still referred to as what the team is missing
#9 - Doug Christie - most steals in 1 half with 8, all-time leader in franchise steals 734 (Mo Pete is 2nd with 552)
#10 - Demar Derozan - perhaps a stretch as he hasn't proven as much yet, but he is a hard worker who is getting better.
Honourable Mentions: Anthony Parker, Mugsey Bogues, Keon Clark, JYD, Amir Johnson, Jorge Garbajosa
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