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  • #16
    I'm supposed to be finishing up my graduate dissertation... but this is a great way for me to take a break lol A break from lunch lol.

    Defense

    Group A
    Fields, Kleiza, Ross, Pietrus, Lucas III.


    Landry Fields
    is the best defender in this grouping
    . He is big enough and fast enough to barely defend 4s, but he doesn't have enough muscle to push up against them when they post-up. He is great at defending 3s, and too slow to defend the 2 spot. He is not as great of a defender as everyone else thinks he is, he just can't do anything else.

    Ross
    is a rookie who is just trying to understand how to read pick and roll. He is not physically strong enough to handle a mismatch. He is not a defensive player, but he has quick hands and shot blocking ability considering his hops.

    Kleiza & Pietrus
    They are done.

    Lucas III
    has great help defense
    He really gets his hands in there and disrupts big guys. He is one of the better defenders when facing a bench point guard on another team.

    Conclusion?
    We have 2 effective players out of originally intended 5
    Ross is not experienced enough to be a decent defender this season. He has allowed too many blow-by's and Coach Casey pulls him out.
    Fields needs to improve on his post up defense.
    JLIII is fulfilling his defensive responsibilities

    How much of the poor performance from Group A is Brian Colangelo responsible for?
    Kleiza
    Pietrus
    Ross


    Group B
    Demar, Gay, Bargnani, Anderson, Lowry & Telfair
    to defend other runners.

    Demar
    occasionally plays defense.
    He is the exact type of player that Dwayne Casey doesn't want on the team, a type of player that plays defense when his offense is good. When he does decide to play defense, he is really good when other players try to dribble penetrate. He's got a great set of feet beneath him and he can run. He has poor help defense.

    Gay
    occasionally plays defense. Gay has great shot blocking ability.
    That whole blow by thing I was mentioning with Ross is forgivable with a rookie, but when Gay chooses not to play defense, it's a blow by each and every time. He does foul though, thank god for his long arms. Absolutely no help defense whatsoever. He's too busy talking to the ref.

    Bargnani
    occasionally plays defense.
    We saw this in the end of the 2012 season that he CAN play defense. He has shot blocking ability and he is good on help defense. When he doesn't play defense, it's even uglier than the Rudy Gay blow by's because he is usually defending a 4 or a 5, so normally the people who blow by get a slam dunk, and 1's etc, which make us hate him so, so so so so so so so so so much. It's ugly. It's like eating Primo.

    Anderson
    is the best defender in this group.
    His iso defense for 3s and 4s is great. He's really tough, isn't scared of anyone, and gets tough assignments. Unfortunately he's like Demar when it comes to help defense. Very poor help defense. I believe his assignments are usually so tough, that he has his hands full, which may be the same for Demar as well.

    Lowry
    is the best help defender on the team. The truth is that he is a better defender than Calderon.
    The problem is that he is a shitty defender in iso conditions against other league leading point guards. He gambles on steals too much. He rebounds when he shouldn't. He's not fast enough because he has a big ass and he has a tough time reading the court. Teams with great pick and roll make him an absolutely ineffective defensive player.

    Telfair
    has no defense. No help defense. No iso defense. It's absolutely horrible.

    Conclusion?
    We have 3 effective defenders out of the original 6
    Demar and Gay count as 1, because of the 'occasional' defense factor. When they get their offense going, their defense is ON. It goes hand in hand.
    Andersons defense is solid like I already mentioned.
    Lowry's help defense still counts and it still works unless he is facing a pg like Rondo, Jarrett Jack, etc. Any PG that shoots a lot and Lowry turns into mush.

    How much of the poor performance from Group A is Brian Colangelo responsible for?
    Lowry
    Telfair
    Bargnani
    Gay


    Group C
    Johnson, Valanciunas, Acy, Grey
    to scrap and fight in the post.

    Johnson
    gets put in a tough position where he has to defend 5s when JV isn't on. He's undersized in those situations. He's great at playing a 5 w/ small ball. He has good shot blocking ability and he is the best defender in this group. He gets too wrapped up in iso and post up. When there is a lot of ball movement he gets lost, usually resulting in either a slam dunk, or some kind of 3 pter. His help defense is poor.

    Valanciunas
    is the best help defender on the team. He is high energy hands up, he gets in peoples faces and pisses them off. He flies from left to right, running left and right. It's a feat to see I'd say. When it comes to iso, he uses his body like Aaron Gray, which isn't so good, because once the ball goes down low they freeze. He over helps.

    Acy
    is supposed to be a great defender but a lot of times he just confuses the other teams defense by being out of position. He is very aggressive when he doesn't need to be, and he racks up fouls day in day out. He needs to learn to flop like Reggie Evans and he needs more playing time.

    Gray
    is rubbish.
    He's good at being a rock that moves so they don't get a defensive 3. That whole 'pound the rock thing, yeah... I'd like to mess him up if I was 8'5" 400lb. My fists would be the size of Adriana Lima's tits.

    Conclusion?
    We have 2 effective players out of the original 4. Johnson and Valanciunas got game. Acy COULD? develop game. Aaron Gray is a sight that makes my eyes sore. I need to watch pornography after he plays just so my eyes pop back into my sockets.

    How much of the poor performance from Group A is Brian Colangelo responsible for?
    Aaron Gray


    Defensive Conclusion
    I mentioned a total of 15 players, of which 8 players have not sufficiently done their Defensive jobs.
    With all the blow bys going on and the poor help defense, you can see why so many people get SLAM DUNKS, offensive rebounds against us. The defense starts with Lowry in my opinion. If he can make it more difficult for the other starting PG's, Demar and Gay can continue their iso with help defense from Lowry and Johnson. JV should not be help defending imo, that's Johnsons job.
    Last edited by drunkmunky; Sat Mar 30, 2013, 04:00 PM.

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    • #17
      From the offensive and defensive breakdowns that I have just posted, the following players HAVE to be replaced for next year.


      Bargnani
      Telfair
      Kleiza
      Pietrus
      Grey


      Players that will continue to improve and make the roster better:

      Terrance Ross
      Landry Fields
      Jonas Valanciunas
      Demar DeRozan
      Amir Johnson
      Quincy Acy


      Players that will perform the same:

      Kyle Lowry
      Rudy Gay
      Alan Anderson
      John Lucas III


      Of the players that we HAVE to get rid of, who CAN we get rid of ?
      Pietrus
      Telfair


      either
      Bargnani
      or
      Kleiza


      The player that is guaranteed to leave:
      Alan Anderson

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      • #18
        Resigning Rudy Gay to a long term contract is beneficial to the Toronto Raptors as well as Rudy Gay.
        I believe it makes sense for 2014. Why Do I say that?

        Rudy will be receiving $19 million dollars next season. With the salary cap the way that it is now, and with the rest of the market understanding that he is playing at the same level as Demar DeRozan ($9.5 mill per annum), Rudy is really worth no more than $10 million a year. Beyond the 2014 season, Rudy Gay will not see anywhere near $16, 17, 18 million a year with either the Raptors or another team. No one would even think about paying him that much again.

        I'm going to talk on behalf of what I think Brian Colangelo is going to do, or has done.
        The Toronto Raptors is already Rudy Gay's team, so in terms of a social basketball hierarchy, it's already there.

        This is what I would say to Rudy Gay's Agent.

        I can offer Rudy Gay a new contract @ 15 million a year for the next 4 years.

        The reality is that you're not going to get that from anyone else in the league.

        If you take your 19 million for the 2014 season and you choose to move, like I said, no other team is going to pay you 15 million a year, especially for 4 years straight. You might make 12-13 million.

        19 + 12 + 12 + 12 = 55

        15 + 15 + 15 + 15 = 60

        At the end of the day, if you renegotiate with the raptors, you get more money than you would elsewhere, and we're building AROUND you.

        Now what does that do to the Raptors?

        Rudy Gay is a star attractor in the NBA. he has friends absolutely everywhere, from Kyle Lowry, to Telfair, to Demar, etc etc Wale etc. His ability to attract other players to a building team is a very influential tool and he knows it.

        If Rudy Negotiates the 2014 contract, it would give space for Colangelo to amnesty Kleiza and STILL be able to pick up slot bench players that can fulfill the needed offensive and defensive roles with a bit more than the league veterans minimum.

        Colangelo is going to let Bargnani's value rebuild in the beginning of the 2014 season to see if he can reclaim some of the lost value that he has, and then he will most likely be paired with either John Lucas, Quincy Acy, or Landry Fields in some kind of mid-season trade.

        With the pieces that we have right now and the half roster that Colangelo has been able to assemble, we'll probably only be a .500 team, even with the increased potential of the 6 players that I mentioned. By the mid-season trade deadline, Colangelo could assembly a team that could perform much better than that, with young bloods supported by a more veteran bench.

        With the renegotiation of Gay's contract, it opens up a lot more options, and I think only Brian Colangelo could do that with Rudy. This kind of receipe and gambling talk with MLSE will allow BC to get resigned for a 1-year extension, and then a more serious 2014 push would get him resigned for a multi-year contract.
        Last edited by drunkmunky; Sat Mar 30, 2013, 04:03 PM.

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        • #19
          drunkmunky wrote: View Post
          Resigning Rudy Gay to a long term contract is beneficial to the Toronto Raptors as well as Rudy Gay.
          I believe it makes sense for 2014. Why Do I say that?

          Rudy will be receiving $19 million dollars next season. With the salary cap the way that it is now, and with the rest of the market understanding that he is playing at the same level as Demar DeRozan ($9.5 mill per annum), Rudy is really worth no more than $10 million a year. Beyond the 2014 season, Rudy Gay will not see anywhere near $16, 17, 18 million a year with either the Raptors or another team. No one would even think about paying him that much again.

          I'm going to talk on behalf of what I think Brian Colangelo is going to do, or has done.
          The Toronto Raptors is already Rudy Gay's team, so in terms of a social basketball hierarchy, it's already there.

          This is what I would say to Rudy Gay's Agent.

          I can offer Rudy Gay a new contract @ 15 million a year for the next 4 years.

          The reality is that you're not going to get that from anyone else in the league.

          If you take your 19 million for the 2014 season and you choose to move, like I said, no other team is going to pay you 15 million a year, especially for 4 years straight. You might make 12-13 million.

          19 + 12 + 12 + 12 = 55

          15 + 15 + 15 + 15 = 60

          At the end of the day, if you renegotiate with the raptors, you get more money than you would elsewhere, and we're building AROUND you.

          Now what does that do to the Raptors?

          Rudy Gay is a star attractor in the NBA. he has friends absolutely everywhere, from Kyle Lowry, to Telfair, to Demar, etc etc Wale etc. His ability to attract other players to a building team is a very influential tool and he knows it.

          If Rudy Negotiates the 2014 contract, it would give space for Colangelo to amnesty Kleiza and STILL be able to pick up slot bench players that can fulfill the needed offensive and defensive roles with a bit more than the league veterans minimum.

          Colangelo is going to let Bargnani's value rebuild in the beginning of the 2014 season to see if he can reclaim some of the lost value that he has, and then he will most likely be paired with either John Lucas, Quincy Acy, or Landry Fields in some kind of mid-season trade.

          With the pieces that we have right now and the half roster that Colangelo has been able to assemble, we'll probably only be a .500 team, even with the increased potential of the 5 players that I mentioned. By the mid-season trade deadline, Colangelo could assembly a team that could perform much better than that, with young bloods supported by a more veteran bench.

          With the renegotiation of Gay's contract, it opens up a lot more options, and I think only Brian Colangelo could do that with Rudy. This kind of receipe and gambling talk with MLSE will allow BC to get resigned for a 1-year extension, and then a more serious 2014 push would get him resigned for a multi-year contract.
          Your post fails the CBA.

          A player cannot opt out of a player option and re-sign for a contract starting at less than the year he opted out of.

          Rudy will pick up that $19M option for 2014-15, make his $38M over the next 2 years, and then sign a final huge contract at 28 years of age.

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          • #20
            RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
            I agree with ceez.

            Fields:

            - Solid penetrator
            - moves extremely well without the ball
            - doesn't need the ball to be successful on offense
            - underrated passer
            - good defender
            - good rebounder
            - solid mid-ranged game
            - Great basketball IQ
            - versatility; can play 2, 3 & 4 (4 only when team plays small - obviously)

            = Inconsistent perimeter shooting
            = without ball/shooting, game can become 4 vs. 5 on offensive end
            = Turnover prone
            = Struggles to finish around the rim
            = commits some silly fouls
            = overpaid for what he does/abilities

            To be honest, because of Fields' much more efficient offense/better defense and Ross' potential, Demar becomes expendable, especially because I'm really starting to see the redundancy of a Gay/Derozan wing tandem, almost the same players, but Gay a lot more talented/better shooter/better defender.

            I personally think a lineup of:

            PG: Lowry
            SG: Fields
            SF: Gay
            PF: (assuming trade goes through) a talented big = Millsap/Boozer/Gasol, etc.
            C: Valanciunas

            is extremely effective. Offense runs straight through Gay, and Fields can be used as a guy off ball to cut on teams loading/doubling on Gay, and can space the floor - IF he improves the stroke with asst. shooting coach John Townsend - with perimeter shooting. Two solid wing defenders and rebounders is also a positive, especially going against top tier teams with top tier wing players.
            Excellent points.

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            • #21
              Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
              I really wouldnt be surprised if Ross is dealt because BC favors DeMar. Just putting that out there. I wouldnt be surprised if Fields is dealt too he got rid of Hedo for something good, and he will probably keep both DeRozan and Ross, the only thing I see BC doing is entertaining the ideas for DeRozan or Ross in the off season with a plan to move Bargnani for a legit 4 and seeing what is to be done with Fields/AA/Lucas etc

              BC loves his position padding he sees Gay/DeRozan/Ross as a awesome tandem, which they very much could be with some pieces thrown around them I dont think its going to be broken up any time soon.
              BC drafts TRoss then trades him after one year when he could have taken Andre Drummond? The sad thing is I could see BC doing this....

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              • #22
                Matt52 wrote: View Post
                Your post fails the CBA.

                A player cannot opt out of a player option and re-sign for a contract starting at less than the year he opted out of.

                Rudy will pick up that $19M option for 2014-15, make his $38M over the next 2 years, and then sign a final huge contract at 28 years of age.
                +1
                Also, the thought of overpaying Rudy simply because he has so many friends in the NBA seems asinine to me.
                The only thing that will attract players to Toronto is winning. Overpaying inefficient scorers will not achieve this.

                I think the original post in this thread really nailed it.

                To me it breaks down like this. The following players will have little to no effect on the future of this franchise:
                - Lucas,
                - Telfair,
                - Anderson,
                - Gray,
                - Acy, (may have a future in the NBA, but wont stick with the Raps long enough to find out. Think PJ Tucker)
                - Kleiza (he will be amnestied. Colangelo will not amnesty Bargnani, PERIOD)

                The following players, whether because of the talents they possess, or their contractual situations, will have an effect on this team moving forward:
                - Lowry,
                - Derozan,
                - Gay,
                - Johnson,
                - Valanciunas,
                - Fields,
                - Bargnani,
                - Ross

                Colangelo needs to create some future flexibility this summer. To do this, he must rid us of the toxic contracts of Fields and/or Bargnani. This will require him to sweeten the pot. The best case scenario in my mind would be to unload Derozan (assuming he has any value post extension) and acquire contracts that run no longer than two years.
                Say we could trade Derozan, Fields and Bargnani to the Lakers for Gasol and filler*, then our roster looks like this for the start of next season:
                - Lowry
                - Ross
                - Gay
                - Gasol
                - Valanciunas
                - Johnson
                - Lakers filler
                - Minimum contracts to fill out the bench

                *Not sure the Lakers make this trade, but you could really insert any team here. The quality of the players coming back is not so much of a concern, so long as their contracts don't run longer than two years

                If this team looks like a winner to start next season, extend Lowry and pray for big development from Ross and Val.

                If this team stinks to start next season (the more likely scenario to me) then I think we are even better off moving forward. In this case, we trade Lowry before the deadline and go into full tank mode. Then, next off-season we have a ton of assets:
                - expiring contracts in Gasol, Gay, and Johnson (all of whom could be moved or extended at the right price)
                - young studs on rookie deals in Ross and Valanciunas
                - a very high pick in a loaded 2014 draft
                - whatever we got for Lowry at the deadline

                The biggest piece to the puzzle here is the 2014 pick, which (fingers crossed) should allow the Raptors to acquire the all-star talent we currently lack (sorry Rudy).

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                • #23
                  pcrombeen wrote: View Post

                  If this team stinks to start next season (the more likely scenario to me) then I think we are even better off moving forward. In this case, we trade Lowry before the deadline and go into full tank mode. Then, next off-season we have a ton of assets:
                  - expiring contracts in Gasol, Gay, and Johnson (all of whom could be moved or extended at the right price)
                  - young studs on rookie deals in Ross and Valanciunas
                  - a very high pick in a loaded 2014 draft
                  - whatever we got for Lowry at the deadline

                  The biggest piece to the puzzle here is the 2014 pick, which (fingers crossed) should allow the Raptors to acquire the all-star talent we currently lack (sorry Rudy).
                  This is a plan. One that is really hard to sell, and therefore, will never happen... but it's a legit way to move forward and build a contender. Another reason why it's not going to happen is time. People in Toronto are impatient.

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                  • #24
                    Matt52 wrote: View Post
                    Your post fails the CBA.

                    A player cannot opt out of a player option and re-sign for a contract starting at less than the year he opted out of.

                    Rudy will pick up that $19M option for 2014-15, make his $38M over the next 2 years, and then sign a final huge contract at 28 years of age.
                    Is this a new rule in this CBA? Because I think that's exactly what the Spurs did with Jefferson a couple of years ago.

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                    • #25
                      What we actually need to do is not build to become an 8th seed and get eliminated in the 1st Round but build to be a true contender...

                      -Hire a new GM who knows how to Rebuild a team


                      -Cut Salary by:

                      Trading Derozan for draft picks during Offseason
                      Amenesty LK
                      Trade Bargnani for expiring contract
                      Trade Rudy Gay for Picks mid way through next season ( I don't see him being a Franchise player or someone you should build your team around,, too inefficient, not an all-star)

                      Pretty much we got stockpile Picks and build around T Ross, JV, and Amir...

                      Hopefully we could land a top 5 pick in next years draft ( ie Andrew Wiggins, Jabrari Parker) supposed to be a very strong draft with most of the Top 10 being Small Forwards

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                      • #26
                        Soft Euro wrote: View Post
                        Is this a new rule in this CBA? Because I think that's exactly what the Spurs did with Jefferson a couple of years ago.
                        I'm not sure if it is new or not.

                        Here is Larry Coon's take on it, within question 58:

                        A contract that contains an Early Termination Option (ETO) cannot be extended if the ETO is exercised (ending the contract early). A contract with an option can be extended if the player opts-in. A contract with an option can also be extended if the player opts-out, as long as the extension adds at least two new seasons onto the contract (excluding any new option year) and the salary in the first year of the extension is not less than the salary in the non-exercised option year. See question number 57 for more information on options and ETOs.

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