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    Can someone explain to me exactly why did BC not take the Bargnani and Lucas for Boozer and Robinson trade, run and never look back? Just curious after watching the Brooklyn/Bulls game where Boozer had 29 points and 18 rebounds and Robinson hit the game winning shot along with 12 points and 5 assists.

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    Quote Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
    Can someone explain to me exactly why did BC not take the Bargnani and Lucas for Boozer and Robinson trade, run and never look back? Just curious after watching the Brooklyn/Bulls game where Boozer had 29 points and 18 rebounds and Robinson hit the game winning shot along with 12 points and 5 assists.
    Because Bargnani is a rich mans Dirk Nowitzki with elite defense and John Lucas IIIS the second coming of mighty mouse. In all seriousness he probably was afraid of taking even more money in (Booze is making something like 18mil. per)

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    Because people have super short foresight and want to base a trade on one game?

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    Because Colangelo is a goddamn retard
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    The easy answer is that Bryan is an idiot, and I think that's partially true, but what scares me is that the board was not willing to go into luxury tax (which they had to do if they got Boozer).

    Why that's scary is because Bell/Rogers are one of the richest owners in all of sport yet only seem to be interested in their bottom line. If they would not be willing to go into luxury tax now, will they ever be willing to do it?

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    The easy answer is that Bryan is an idiot, and I think that's partially true, but what scares me is that the board was not willing to go into luxury tax (which they had to do if they got Boozer).

    Why that's scary is because Bell/Rogers are one of the richest owners in all of sport yet only seem to be interested in their bottom line. If they would not be willing to go into luxury tax now, will they ever be willing to do it?
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    The easy answer is that Bryan is an idiot, and I think that's partially true, but what scares me is that the board was not willing to go into luxury tax (which they had to do if they got Boozer).

    Why that's scary is because Bell/Rogers are one of the richest owners in all of sport yet only seem to be interested in their bottom line. If they would not be willing to go into luxury tax now, will they ever be willing to do it?
    what's REALLY scary about this is they were willing to go ahead with the Rudy trade though, which put us on the precipice.
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    Easy.

    Because if they got rid of Bargs and Lucas they would have never been able to secure that lucrative advertising contract for Diamond & Diamond Personal Injury Lawyers

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    Quote heinz57 wrote: View Post
    Easy.

    Because if they got rid of Bargs and Lucas they would have never been able to secure that lucrative advertising contract for Diamond & Diamond Personal Injury Lawyers
    Good one....lol

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    Quote psrs1 wrote: View Post
    Good one....lol
    at the Wizard's game... one of the two Diamonds of Diamond and Diamond addressed the crowd. i'm not sure why, or what he said, i had beer, and was playing leg room wrestling with the douche beside me..

    but ya... that's where we are at as a franchise... an ambulance chaser can afford mic time at raps games

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    My bet is because he believes/or believed he can make something else happen. Boozer is old, has a large salary that would further increase the likelihood of no other signings/trades (how many years left for that guy?) ,is a poor help defender, has had injury issues in the past.

    I am not a fan of boozer.

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    I don't think the rumoured transaction(Boozer, Robinson for Bargnani, Lucas) was true. Considering they wanted to get under the cap, it's possible the proposed trade was heavily in Chicago's favour financially.

    My fear is that Boozer's solid performance might make Chicago change their mind about trading him.
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    I'm just curious but was that trade ever a real offer or just a rumored offer?
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    Colangelo's moves (and non-moves) can be understood through two lenses: maneuver warfare; and the Red Queen Theory.

    In terms of maneuver warfare, Colangelo loves to stay active and continually make moves. He cleary values flexibility and the ability to adapt and change course. One of my complaints with Colangelo is his resistance to go "all-in". He wants the best of all worlds (winning, developing young players, maintaining some cap freedom). Sadly, instead of getting the best of all worlds, he's mostly got the worst. In fact, most of the activity has been busy work and amounts to the Raps running very fast (lots of roster turnover) to basically stay in exactly the same place (the Red Queen Theory part).

    There's something to be said for Colangelo's overall approach in terms of wanting to retain fliexibility and the ability to adapt on the fly and I'm not arguing it can't work. Unfortunately, the actual decision-making has largely been poor. Colangelo to me is like the mediocre chess player who has great strategy and understands the theory but, when it comes to actually playing, can't find the right move.

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    Colangelo's moves (and non-moves) can be understood through two lenses: maneuver warfare; and the Red Queen Theory.

    In terms of maneuver warfare, Colangelo loves to stay active and continually make moves. He cleary values flexibility and the ability to adapt and change course. One of my complaints with Colangelo is his resistance to go "all-in". He wants the best of all worlds (winning, developing young players, maintaining some cap freedom). Sadly, instead of getting the best of all worlds, he's mostly got the worst. In fact, most of the activity has been busy work and amounts to the Raps running very fast (lots of roster turnover) to basically stay in exactly the same place (the Red Queen Theory part).

    There's something to be said for Colangelo's overall approach in terms of wanting to retain fliexibility and the ability to adapt on the fly and I'm not arguing it can't work. Unfortunately, the actual decision-making has largely been poor. Colangelo to me is like the mediocre chess player who has great strategy and understands the theory but, when it comes to actually playing, can't find the right move.
    so is it the right move or the wrong move? you didn't say.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    so is it the right move or the wrong move? you didn't say.
    I have no idea..... You'd need to rethink the offense. Not enough ball to go around if you've got Gay/Derozan/Boozer out there. No one else would get to play offense. Look at how efficient Amir and Val are and, most games, they struggle to get touches, let alone shots. Maybe adding a 3-pt shooter who can play defense at the SG and moving Amir and Demar to second unit to beef up the bench?

    Then there's the cap issue. Don't know enough about that...

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    I have no idea..... You'd need to rethink the offense. Not enough ball to go around if you've got Gay/Derozan/Boozer out there. No one else would get to play offense. Look at how efficient Amir and Val are and, most games, they struggle to get touches, let alone shots.
    Exactly, and I have been arguing this for some time to all those that want to stick Amir back on the bench in favour of a more offensively gifted PF. How many scorers do we need in our starting 5? Add Boozer and we would have 5. Unless, of course, it would be preferred to relegate JV to a non-offensive role, and NOBODY wants that I'm sure. Amir is a great compliment to JV, and both are young and continually improving. This is a fantastic frontline going forward. I, personally, do not want anything to do with Boozer's over-inflated contract, and even less with Nate Robinson. Every starting line needs a grinder or two!
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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Colangelo's moves (and non-moves) can be understood through two lenses: maneuver warfare; and the Red Queen Theory.

    In terms of maneuver warfare, Colangelo loves to stay active and continually make moves. He cleary values flexibility and the ability to adapt and change course. One of my complaints with Colangelo is his resistance to go "all-in". He wants the best of all worlds (winning, developing young players, maintaining some cap freedom). Sadly, instead of getting the best of all worlds, he's mostly got the worst. In fact, most of the activity has been busy work and amounts to the Raps running very fast (lots of roster turnover) to basically stay in exactly the same place (the Red Queen Theory part).

    There's something to be said for Colangelo's overall approach in terms of wanting to retain fliexibility and the ability to adapt on the fly and I'm not arguing it can't work. Unfortunately, the actual decision-making has largely been poor. Colangelo to me is like the mediocre chess player who has great strategy and understands the theory but, when it comes to actually playing, can't find the right move.
    Interesting post.

    I believe, however, that there is also a third lens through which his moves can be understood; it's known as "throwing shit at the wall and hoping some of it sticks."

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Colangelo's moves (and non-moves) can be understood through two lenses: maneuver warfare; and the Red Queen Theory.

    In terms of maneuver warfare, Colangelo loves to stay active and continually make moves. He cleary values flexibility and the ability to adapt and change course. One of my complaints with Colangelo is his resistance to go "all-in". He wants the best of all worlds (winning, developing young players, maintaining some cap freedom). Sadly, instead of getting the best of all worlds, he's mostly got the worst. In fact, most of the activity has been busy work and amounts to the Raps running very fast (lots of roster turnover) to basically stay in exactly the same place (the Red Queen Theory part).

    There's something to be said for Colangelo's overall approach in terms of wanting to retain fliexibility and the ability to adapt on the fly and I'm not arguing it can't work. Unfortunately, the actual decision-making has largely been poor. Colangelo to me is like the mediocre chess player who has great strategy and understands the theory but, when it comes to actually playing, can't find the right move.
    An impressive and accurate observation of BC's managerial style. His resistance to go all in though must be attributed to self created circumstances which is the blunder of retaining Bosh even though he had not signed an extn. I believe that by now he would have gone all in if Bosh was not lost in that fashion or if he(Bosh) was traded for an equally(almost) good player.

    His moves since then, although not mistake free, have been mostly good but have not been sufficient to make the Raps. a serious contender. His record as Raps. GM is not an accurate indication of his ability. Even though I'm optimistic by nature, I believe Raps. have a realistic chance of being good next year. Their present performance may not be an indication of that but staying the course for at least another year will pay dividends. If given another year, Colangelo can and will get the job done.
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    Quote Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
    Can someone explain to me exactly why did BC not take the Bargnani and Lucas for Boozer and Robinson trade, run and never look back? Just curious after watching the Brooklyn/Bulls game where Boozer had 29 points and 18 rebounds and Robinson hit the game winning shot along with 12 points and 5 assists.
    What evidence do you have that this was even on the table?

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