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  • Terrence Ross

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    Default SGs: Who will not return next season?

    The Raptors have too many holes in their roster to think that Fields, Ross, and DeRozan will all be back next season.

    Who do you think will be gone next year?


    **BTW, no AA included because he is a free agent. Only guys under contract (i.e. guaranteed to return at this point) included**
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    I'd like to think something will change, but most likely all three will be back.

    If AA leaves as a free agent, that leaves a lot of minutes on the table to split between the three of them. Ross will probably get most of his minutes, if his development process (or lack thereof) continues.

    If I really had to pick one, I'd say Ross. Not sure if his "untouchable" status still remains, and giving him inconsistent minutes tells us litle about what his future holds here. Fields' contract is to big to move IMO. He brings hustle and rebounding, but not sure if any team would want that for 7 million a season.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I'd like to think something will change, but most likely all three will be back.

    If AA leaves as a free agent, that leaves a lot of minutes on the table to split between the three of them. Ross will probably get most of his minutes, if his development process (or lack thereof) continues.

    If I really had to pick one, I'd say Ross. Not sure if his "untouchable" status still remains, and giving him inconsistent minutes tells us litle about what his future holds here. Fields' contract is to big to move IMO. He brings hustle and rebounding, but not sure if any team would want that for 7 million a season.
    Ahhhh shit. I never thought of that option.
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    Yeah unfortunately I think all three will be back. In my opinion Derozan should be the odd man out. He holds onto the ball way too long without doing anything useful, especially if an above average defender is guarding him. Fortunately we already have version 2.0 of that (rudy gay). Landry fields moves better without the ball, and I think he would be an upgrade over derozan even without being able to shoot the 3 ball.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    Yeah unfortunately I think all three will be back. In my opinion Derozan should be the odd man out. He holds onto the ball way to long without doing anything useful, especially if an above average defender is guarding him. Fortunately we already have version 2.0 of that (rudy gay) Landry fields moves better without the ball, and I think he would be an upgrade over derozan even without being able to shoot the 3 ball.
    First bold:
    Agreed. He is redundant with Gay. Put a big SG on DeRozan and his post play disappears. I do like DD and would hate to see him go but with the make up of the current roster and the money attached to players, he seems most likely to go. I think trading Ross would be a big mistake because, for the most part, his strengths are the current Raptors weaknesses. I am glad he had a strong game versus Minnesota because I think they would be a likely trade partner.

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    Agreed. And I think Fields can shoot the corner three with consistency again next year after a summer of rehabbing his forearm/elbow and shot.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
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    Agreed. He is redundant with Gay. Put a big SG on DeRozan and his post play disappears. I do like DD and would hate to see him go but with the make up of the current roster and the money attached to players, he seems most likely to go. I think trading Ross would be a big mistake because, for the most part, his strengths are the current Raptors weaknesses. I am glad he had a strong game versus Minnesota because I think they would be a likely trade partner.

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    Agreed. And I think Fields can shoot the corner three with consistency again next year after a summer of rehabbing his forearm/elbow and shot.
    I wouldn't mind that at all. One of their backup PG's, derrick williams, and someone else. for derozan.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't mind that at all. One of their backup PG's, derrick williams, and someone else. for derozan.
    The money works with just a PG and Williams. Roy is not guaranteed next season if the Raps were looking for a little financial wiggle room.

    I'd be gunning for their draft pick though. But that is just greedy and unlikely. This is actually a good year for the Wolves in the draft. Oladipo, McLemore, and Muhammad could all be available when they pick. However, they are likely running out of time on a number of fronts and might not want to adjust to another rookie to the league. DD might just have more value than I (and probably others here) think.

    On a somewhat unrelated note, Shabazz has slipped to 9th at DE.... crazy what a little under performance and age lying does to your stock this time of year.
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    I believe all three will be back as well.

    Ross is probably the least likely as he was untouchable this trade deadline and I doubt BC would change his stance this soon on him.

    I think Fields is difficult because of his contract and who he is (ie, a role player without much potential). But if the right offer came around (Bargnani+Fields for Gasol?) then he could be available.

    DeMar makes the most sense because of how similar his game is to Gay...but I'm not sure if BC would want to trade him. BC never gave up on Bargnani, and DeMar appears to be his guy at this point.

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    Why do people insist on referring to Fields as a SG? For starters, he started his NBA career as a SF where he did very well as a rookie, and wasn't pushed to an unfamiliar position of SG until Melo showed up and they really didn't have a SG. He was never brought in here as a SG, but as a SF, and his skills have shown him to be far more apt to play SF and small ball PF, which is how he's being used. Why continue to call him a SG???

    Regardless of position designation, all three will be back. Whoever else is added to the roster, next year will be about JV, Amir, Gay, Fields, DD, Ross, Lowry coming together as a TEAM that knows each other and works well together.

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    Why do people insist on referring to Fields as a SG? For starters, he started his NBA career as a SF where he did very well as a rookie, and wasn't pushed to an unfamiliar position of SG until Melo showed up and they really didn't have a SG. He was never brought in here as a SG, but as a SF, and his skills have shown him to be far more apt to play SF and small ball PF, which is how he's being used. Why continue to call him a SG???
    Not really much of a difference, he can guard both positions quite well. If he has a decent 3pt shot next year, he would look good starting next to Gay on the wing

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    Why do people insist on referring to Fields as a SG? For starters, he started his NBA career as a SF where he did very well as a rookie, and wasn't pushed to an unfamiliar position of SG until Melo showed up and they really didn't have a SG. He was never brought in here as a SG, but as a SF, and his skills have shown him to be far more apt to play SF and small ball PF, which is how he's being used. Why continue to call him a SG???

    Regardless of position designation, all three will be back. Whoever else is added to the roster, next year will be about JV, Amir, Gay, Fields, DD, Ross, Lowry coming together as a TEAM that knows each other and works well together.
    He was always SG in NY.

    Prior to Carmelo in NY he was paired with Wilson Chandler.

    It does not mean much but Basketball-Reference has him listed as SG from the 2010-11 Knicks team as well as 2011-12 while Chandler was the SF while in 2009-10 Chandler was listed as the SG.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    He was always SG in NY.

    Prior to Carmelo in NY he was paired with Wilson Chandler.

    It does not mean much but Basketball-Reference has him listed as SG from the 2010-11 Knicks team as well as 2011-12 while Chandler was the SF while in 2009-10 Chandler was listed as the SG.
    I stand corrected on his NY experience, however his Raps' experience has not included 1 minute of time as a SG, but all of it as either a SF or small ball PF, which suits his skill set far more than him trying to cover quick SGs. Whatever the then disjointed Knicks played him as, it's pretty clear that the Raps got him to play SF, and that's what they've used him at. It makes zero sense to dump DD and move Fields into an unsuitable position. Ross is certainly not ready to start, so do the Raps start Anderson until then?

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    Quote p00ka wrote: View Post
    I stand corrected on his NY experience, however his Raps' experience has not included 1 minute of time as a SG, but all of it as either a SF or small ball PF, which suits his skill set far more than him trying to cover quick SGs. Whatever the then disjointed Knicks played him as, it's pretty clear that the Raps got him to play SF, and that's what they've used him at. It makes zero sense to dump DD and move Fields into an unsuitable position. Ross is certainly not ready to start, so do the Raps start Anderson until then?
    Fields was acquired in an attempt to screw the Knicks out of Nash.

    Fields has not played SG in Toronto because they already had a SG.... and drafted another.

    Because Toronto has played Fields at SF does not necessarily make him ideally suited as one.

    Fields was the starting SG on a playoff team his first 2 seasons in the NBA.... that is more than DeRozan can say in 4 years.
    Last edited by mcHAPPY; Sun Apr 7th, 2013 at 03:13 PM. Reason: .... and drafted another.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Fields was acquired in an attempt to screw the Knicks out of Nash.

    Fields has not played SG in Toronto because they already had a SG.

    Because Toronto has played Fields at SF does not necessarily make him ideally suited as one.

    Fields was the starting SG on a playoff team his first 2 seasons in the NBA.... that is more than DeRozan can say in 4 years.
    Maybe i'm hoping for too much....However, I dont believe the way to get better is to trade your better players. I would rather keep our SGs as is and hope for improvement from all of them.

    DD should be here next year.

    I would much rather see Fields, Ross or AA (let him walk OR sign and trade?) Go.

    There should be NO ARGUMENT that DD is CURRENTLY better than all of the players above.

    I understand that DD is EASILY our best trade piece.

    However, I think as a GM you need to keep your best players and get rid of bad contracts/players if you truly want to compete for a championship/playoffs.

    I like Ross BUT he's just potential right now....he's no better defensively than DD (I'm not sure he'll be better offensively either). DD belongs in the nba .....Ross should've gotten time in the d-league.

    If DD can develop a 3 point shot (see jason kidd) he Will be dangerous. I'm not ready to give up on our 18 ppg 23 year old scorer JUST YET. We can always wait to see if he improves before we go down that road.

    It really boggles my mind that people would rather trade DD over the unproven (scrubs) above BUT such is the state of affairs in raptorland.

    Off topic..

    I would like to see Bargs go and get a useful PF piece back if possible or just amnesty the guy. THAT is my only wish with regards to changes. I wouldnt mind packaging Lowry and Fields for Brandon Jennings (I would do that in a heartbeat).

    THAT being said - Getting rid of BARGS is my only off-season priority!

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    I said Ross because he has been the most under-performing player on this team other than Andrea and Kleiza (injury, played like 2 games lol). At this point, Ross can be sold based on potential and contract, which in today's NBA finance, is extremely important. It's a low risk, high reward type thing.

    Derozan seems the most likely, but I hope Ross is gone instead.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    I said Ross because he has been the most under-performing player on this team other than Andrea and Kleiza (injury, played like 2 games lol). At this point, Ross can be sold based on potential and contract, which in today's NBA finance, is extremely important. It's a low risk, high reward type thing.

    Derozan seems the most likely, but I hope Ross is gone instead.
    damn completely gave up on ross eh?

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    damn completely gave up on ross eh?
    I saw more negative than positive for the most part when he was on the floor, but he also steps onto the floor being negative. Poor body language, poor composure. Demar was probably our best rookie at being consistent with the attitude, JV is right there too.

    I'm one of those people who say "if you can prove me wrong, go ahead", but this is my current attitude towards Ross. Just haven't been a fan quite frankly. I will say though, he's had some great games (probably like 2) and is a fun player to watch in the open court.

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    I think Ross and Gay fit, IF the coach uses them properly. Having Gay and Derozan run iso's half the time is not to their success.

    Gay:

    - Low Post
    - ISO
    - Pick and Roll

    Derozan:

    - Low post
    - Off-ball screens
    - Pick and Roll

    In my honest opinion, if the coach would have one - Demar/Rudy - on the low block, possibly Amir up at the top of the key, JV on the other block, than the other - Demar/Rudy - would sit in the corner, with Lowry waiting up top as the safety anchor. Now, that is obviously if Demar develops his corner 3, and Rudy starts to gain his stroke back, but I personally think that would be effective. We've seen some splints of it, and it definitely works pretty well.

    Even have Rudy run the offense at times, allow Demar to run off the screen, and if it doesn't go, reset, or wait for Demar to establish in the post. Once Demar gets it, have Rudy run off of him. Maybe run a wing pick and roll between Gay/Derozan?

    Now, these are some suggestions, who knows, whether or not these actually work. I personally think putting Demar and Gay in the low post more often than not is where you will get the best out of both.

    BUT, Demar/Rudy will not fit as long as Casey is the coach.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    I think Ross and Gay fit, IF the coach uses them properly. Having Gay and Derozan run iso's half the time is not to their success.

    Gay:

    - Low Post
    - ISO
    - Pick and Roll

    Derozan:

    - Low post
    - Off-ball screens
    - Pick and Roll

    In my honest opinion, if the coach would have one - Demar/Rudy - on the low block, possibly Amir up at the top of the key, JV on the other block, than the other - Demar/Rudy - would sit in the corner, with Lowry waiting up top as the safety anchor. Now, that is obviously if Demar develops his corner 3, and Rudy starts to gain his stroke back, but I personally think that would be effective. We've seen some splints of it, and it definitely works pretty well.

    Even have Rudy run the offense at times, allow Demar to run off the screen, and if it doesn't go, reset, or wait for Demar to establish in the post. Once Demar gets it, have Rudy run off of him. Maybe run a wing pick and roll between Gay/Derozan?

    Now, these are some suggestions, who knows, whether or not these actually work. I personally think putting Demar and Gay in the low post more often than not is where you will get the best out of both.

    BUT, Demar/Rudy will not fit as long as Casey is the coach.
    If only the Raps had a coach with an offense. I don't blame Casey. Firing Mitchell when they did setback the development of the players on this team dramatically. Replacing mediocre players with mediocre players instead of building team chemistry also set this team back. In this environment a defense first coach is needed. The problem is that means this team is in year 2 of a 4 or 5 year rebuild (when you bring in the real head coach), but has the cap issues of a team that is already built.

    What a mess. Personally, I would keep Demar. Real wing players are becoming more rare. BUT what other real trade options do they have if they want to move Bargs for more than some one else's garbage? Personally, I move Bargnani for anything. Bite the bullet and move on. They already traded ED for a major cap hit and no playoffs. Moving Demar just to rid the team of Bargs would have a big impact on the locker room.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    I saw more negative than positive for the most part when he was on the floor, but he also steps onto the floor being negative. Poor body language, poor composure. Demar was probably our best rookie at being consistent with the attitude, JV is right there too.

    I'm one of those people who say "if you can prove me wrong, go ahead", but this is my current attitude towards Ross. Just haven't been a fan quite frankly. I will say though, he's had some great games (probably like 2) and is a fun player to watch in the open court.
    He has a T Mac like attitude. So most of the time it looks like he's not trying, when actually he's probably giving more effort on defense than DeMar does 90% of the time. I like Ross and i think he has a very high ceiling. He's basically putting up the same numbers as DeMar in his rookie year and he's coming off the bench playing limited minutes. Some nights he doesn't even play. If he got consistent minutes like DD in his rookie year he'd be putting up much better numbers
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