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  • Landry Fields

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  • Terrence Ross

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  • DeMar DeRozan

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    I saw more negative than positive for the most part when he was on the floor, but he also steps onto the floor being negative. Poor body language, poor composure. Demar was probably our best rookie at being consistent with the attitude, JV is right there too.

    I'm one of those people who say "if you can prove me wrong, go ahead", but this is my current attitude towards Ross. Just haven't been a fan quite frankly. I will say though, he's had some great games (probably like 2) and is a fun player to watch in the open court.
    He has a T Mac like attitude. So most of the time it looks like he's not trying, when actually he's probably giving more effort on defense than DeMar does 90% of the time. I like Ross and i think he has a very high ceiling. He's basically putting up the same numbers as DeMar in his rookie year and he's coming off the bench playing limited minutes. Some nights he doesn't even play. If he got consistent minutes like DD in his rookie year he'd be putting up much better numbers
    "You never heard of DeMar just google him, the defense don't know what to do wit him"

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    I think your pretty stupid for thinking you can forsee the future. Landry "fits"??.....you mean if he can shoot again?? The guy needs rehab for god's sake!.....and your ready to put him into the starting lineup!! lol Do you have a timetable on his injury that we don't?? Are you sure he'll go back to his rookie year shooting?

    We're talking about Landry Fields AS IS....your talking about Landry Fields in best case scenario (hope filled homers). Landry Fields AS IS means we'll be playing 4 on 5 offensively with him out on the floor. If you think that compliments anyone your drinking wayy too much kool-aid.

    The guy needs time to get back to form (if he ever does). What i'm saying is let's wait and see before we trade away Demar. You thinking LF OR TROss is ready to climb into the starter's role is pretty silly IMO. I do hope your right and we can improve our team, BUT right now LF does NOTHING to improve our team AS IS. Your basically making a whole lot of assumptions......do you know someone with a similar injury?? Are you a doctor?
    He will, a summer of working on his shot will bring him back to his old form. His injury isn't that complicated and a summer of shooting will really help. And btw playing 4 on 5 offensively is better than playing 2 on 5 like we are now. Did you just tell me to stop drinking kool aid? you're the one who thinks that we can win games with DeMar and Rudy starting together. Look at the results, we've lost 7 of the last 10 and have only won like 4 games in april with those 2 starting together. YOU need to stop drinking the kool aid. I'm not making assumptions, LF isn't coming from a freaking ACL tear. He'll come back next year a better player i guarantee that
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    Quote special1 wrote: View Post
    First of all - Anthony Parker could shoot VERY WELL. I'm pretty sure he shot over 40 percent from 3's.

    Do you realize that Landry Fields will be left open to shoot (teams always play off of the worst shooter)?? EVERYONE knows about his injury and shooting woes. They will game plan to crowd others and leave him open. How is that not important?

    Do you really think its not important that he at least regains his ROOKIE form?? Shouldn't we wait and see before trading away our better players? First of all i have no faith that BC even knows how to make this team better. Who's to say he won't fuck this up?

    Secondly - Please DO NOT compare Fields to Tony Allen OR Sefolosha or even MWP. Fields has NEVER been a lock down defender. To say this would be drinking kool-aid. He's indeed better than Ross and Demar but he is in NO WAY comparable to Tony Allen or the other 2. Have you seen him "shut down" anyone this year? I don't recall him shutting anyone down.
    Carmelo Anthony. He's been through a lot this season. Give him till next year and he'll prove you wrong. He's a very good defender, he just never gets consistent minutes because of DC's retarded sub patterns.
    "You never heard of DeMar just google him, the defense don't know what to do wit him"

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Carmelo Anthony. He's been through a lot this season. Give him till next year and he'll prove you wrong. He's a very good defender, he just never gets consistent minutes because of DC's retarded sub patterns.
    I'm a Raptor Fan first and foremost so i hope your right.

    FYI - Landry Fields started 22 of the 48 games he‘s played so far this season. I think his impact gets exaggerated around here but to each his own. I think its best to take a wait and see approach.

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    If Fields started todays game what would of happened nothing. fields is a raptor by mistake DeRozan is the Raptors SG make no mistake about it. Hes a kid you want in your franchise.

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    You here those crickets?? LOL my nba.com app says Landry Fields got 3 seconds in the game tonight..... That can't be right! Is he injured?

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    He has a T Mac like attitude. So most of the time it looks like he's not trying, when actually he's probably giving more effort on defense than DeMar does 90% of the time. I like Ross and i think he has a very high ceiling. He's basically putting up the same numbers as DeMar in his rookie year and he's coming off the bench playing limited minutes. Some nights he doesn't even play. If he got consistent minutes like DD in his rookie year he'd be putting up much better numbers
    My point isn't about his numbers, many people have used this argument against me too, but anyone playing lots of time and getting touches will definitely get their numbers. That's not what I'm talking about.

    T-Mac like attitude? So what you're saying is fairly contradictory. T-Mac looked like he wasn't trying, because he actually wasn't trying. I'm not saying Ross isn't trying, I'm saying his composure and body language is poor, and shows he is expecting to be given something he definitely has not earned this season. He hasn't earned playing time with inconsistent play, and far too many "rookie mistakes". Makes too many silly plays out there.

    Demar works hard, and it's definitely undeniable. You yourself (former Demar homer - like myself) said Demar has improved every season. Maybe I should go digging for responses to back it up? If you would like to use his numbers as an argument, than check the season statistics, and it definitely has improvements from season, to season.

    I will agree Ross is more skilled than Derozan was in his first year, and obviously a much more athletic player, but I'm not seeing much. He's had three good games (now counting the game vs. Bulls).

    Like I said, I'm one of those who will wait and see, but I'm just saying I don't see anything too special out of him. You, anyone on this poster, can give me your opinion, but the only person that's going to change that, is Ross himself.

    P.S, I'm not saying Ross can go out there and play to prove me wrong only lol

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    My point isn't about his numbers, many people have used this argument against me too, but anyone playing lots of time and getting touches will definitely get their numbers. That's not what I'm talking about.

    T-Mac like attitude? So what you're saying is fairly contradictory. T-Mac looked like he wasn't trying, because he actually wasn't trying. I'm not saying Ross isn't trying, I'm saying his composure and body language is poor, and shows he is expecting to be given something he definitely has not earned this season. He hasn't earned playing time with inconsistent play, and far too many "rookie mistakes". Makes too many silly plays out there.

    Demar works hard, and it's definitely undeniable. You yourself (former Demar homer - like myself) said Demar has improved every season. Maybe I should go digging for responses to back it up? If you would like to use his numbers as an argument, than check the season statistics, and it definitely has improvements from season, to season.

    I will agree Ross is more skilled than Derozan was in his first year, and obviously a much more athletic player, but I'm not seeing much. He's had three good games (now counting the game vs. Bulls).

    Like I said, I'm one of those who will wait and see, but I'm just saying I don't see anything too special out of him. You, anyone on this poster, can give me your opinion, but the only person that's going to change that, is Ross himself.

    P.S, I'm not saying Ross can go out there and play to prove me wrong only lol
    I agree with your opinion of Ross. I know a lot of people think highly of the guy, but I seriously need to see a lot more out of him before I think he will even be a significant contributor off the bench. Luckily, this is just his first season so he has plenty of time to prove what he is capable of.

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    Quote special1 wrote: View Post
    You here those crickets?? LOL my nba.com app says Landry Fields got 3 seconds in the game tonight..... That can't be right! Is he injured?
    Hes a liability on the offensive end and Casey didnt play him I hope Acy gets more burn over him and we can trade him soon. YES Im serious.

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    I didn't like the signing of Fields when it happened and still hate it. He's an end of the bench type player getting paid like a regular rotation guy. He's a decent defender, but no where near a lock down type guy. Sadly his contract makes him almost unmovable. He better get his ass in the gym and turn himself into something resembling a 3 point specialist if he wants to have any sort of career. Really hope he gets packaged in a deal heading outbound. Damn Yogi Stewart situation all over again.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I didn't like the signing of Fields when it happened and still hate it. He's an end of the bench type player getting paid like a regular rotation guy. He's a decent defender, but no where near a lock down type guy. Sadly his contract makes him almost unmovable. He better get his ass in the gym and turn himself into something resembling a 3 point specialist if he wants to have any sort of career. Really hope he gets packaged in a deal heading outbound. Damn Yogi Stewart situation all over again.
    I'm a really big Landry Fields fan and I still hated the way it happened. It's not even just about the dollars....It's just that, the motivation for signing (and type of offer) a player should be the desire to acquire said player, not as a move to acquire another player. If Nash wasn't on the table, would he have pursued Fields at all? If so, it's certainly unthinkable that he would've made the same offer. Just another instance of BC with his head far up his ass.

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    IT comes down to being all Nash's fault for just not simply saying "Im not signing in Toronto" would have helped the franchise out either way. The only justice in this is that that ring hunting A hole is now a spot up shooter on the Lakers and may not make the playoffs seriously fuck Nash. On to Fields.... he does good things plays D, off ball handles but not worth the money and with his limited offensive abilities he cant even rack up easier offense against the opposing teams bench....

    Fields is a very standard middle player he doesnt do anything particularly above average with a lackluster offensive game.. Raps have to move him.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    IT comes down to being all Nash's fault for just not simply saying "Im not signing in Toronto" would have helped the franchise out either way. The only justice in this is that that ring hunting A hole is now a spot up shooter on the Lakers and may not make the playoffs seriously fuck Nash. On to Fields.... he does good things plays D, off ball handles but not worth the money and with his limited offensive abilities he cant even rack up easier offense against the opposing teams bench....

    Fields is a very standard middle player he doesnt do anything particularly above average with a lackluster offensive game.. Raps have to move him.
    What? No. This is nonsense. In no way whatsoever is it Nash's fault. BC is an idiot. Nash did not do anything wrong.

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    Nash had no intention of coming to Toronto yes BC jumped the gun but Nash could of said right away Im not coming to Toronto he had the organization and fans in suspense for a week on his decision. If he didnt keep it secret BC would have went and spent silly money on a player on the decline..

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Nash had no intention of coming to Toronto yes BC jumped the gun but Nash could of said right away Im not coming to Toronto he had the organization and fans in suspense for a week on his decision. If he didnt keep it secret BC would have went and spent silly money on a player on the decline..
    This should've been heavily foreseen. At this point in his career, Steve wants nothing but to be with his family and win a championship. He will have none of those here.

    This is just connecting back to the bias we seem to think Canadian players have. There is none.
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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Nash had no intention of coming to Toronto yes BC jumped the gun but Nash could of said right away Im not coming to Toronto he had the organization and fans in suspense for a week on his decision. If he didnt keep it secret BC would have went and spent silly money on a player on the decline..
    ??? Says...you??? Nash's first choice wasn't Toronto. As isaacthompson said, his priorities are winning and his family, so what incentive is there to play for a far from contending Toronto team for a former MVP in his last years?

    Did you read anything about the decision since? I respect Nash even more, because he clearly knows BC well enough to know that he would've just been a "circus act" (I think the words Nash used) just to sell tickets. That's hardly a dignified end to a career.

    FWIW, I think Nash's approach with Toronto was always the same, and that is: if no contender made him a good offer, he would take the stupid amount of money BC was throwing at him and live with being a circus act for the last 2 years of his career.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    My point isn't about his numbers, many people have used this argument against me too, but anyone playing lots of time and getting touches will definitely get their numbers. That's not what I'm talking about.

    T-Mac like attitude? So what you're saying is fairly contradictory. T-Mac looked like he wasn't trying, because he actually wasn't trying. I'm not saying Ross isn't trying, I'm saying his composure and body language is poor, and shows he is expecting to be given something he definitely has not earned this season. He hasn't earned playing time with inconsistent play, and far too many "rookie mistakes". Makes too many silly plays out there.

    Demar works hard, and it's definitely undeniable. You yourself (former Demar homer - like myself) said Demar has improved every season. Maybe I should go digging for responses to back it up? If you would like to use his numbers as an argument, than check the season statistics, and it definitely has improvements from season, to season.

    I will agree Ross is more skilled than Derozan was in his first year, and obviously a much more athletic player, but I'm not seeing much. He's had three good games (now counting the game vs. Bulls).

    Like I said, I'm one of those who will wait and see, but I'm just saying I don't see anything too special out of him. You, anyone on this poster, can give me your opinion, but the only person that's going to change that, is Ross himself.

    P.S, I'm not saying Ross can go out there and play to prove me wrong only lol
    T Mac always looked like that. You can't say he wasn't trying because he actually was you don't put up 30 ppg from not trying. Ross netted 13 points in 18 mins... He's already a better finisher than Derozan
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    T Mac always looked like that. You can't say he wasn't trying because he actually was you don't put up 30 ppg from not trying. Ross netted 13 points in 18 mins... He's already a better finisher than Derozan
    Gerald Green is also a better finisher.....but that doesn't make him a better player either. I think we need to take a step back from all this talk about Ross being a starter or Fields being a starter NEXT YEAR. It just won't happen without MAJOR improvement.

    Truth is i like to give rookies a bit of slack....its tough being a rookie in the NBA. It's a grown man's game. Rookies don't get any respect from officials and veterans take advantage of their mistakes. That being said, I like Ross' game. He just needs to work on being consistent and aggressive. I think it would be foolish to throw him into the starter's role without seeing significant improvement next year.

    Fields?? Let's put it this way.....I would rather see Ross start over him. Actually, I was screaming for BC to offer *something* to O.J. Mayo. Mayo ended up with a 1 year 5.5 million dollar salary from Dallas. Fields does nothing great....what's his talent?? To me, he's a bench player for a playoff team...an over paid one (notice the constant theme for Bryan Collangelo??). Fields was smart to sign that offer....Hedo Turkglu was smart to sign that contract......Andrea was smart for signing his contract.....BC is the MORON.
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    Quote special1 wrote: View Post
    Gerald Green is also a better finisher.....but that doesn't make him a better player either. I think we need to take a step back from all this talk about Ross being a starter or Fields being a starter NEXT YEAR. It just won't happen without MAJOR improvement.

    Truth is i like to give rookies a bit of slack....its tough being a rookie in the NBA. It's a grown man's game. Rookies don't get any respect from officials and veterans take advantage of their mistakes. That being said, I like Ross' game. He just needs to work on being consistent and aggressive. I think it would be foolish to throw him into the starter's role without seeing significant improvement next year.

    Fields?? Let's put it this way.....I would rather see Ross start over him. Actually, I was screaming for BC to offer *something* to O.J. Mayo. Mayo ended up with a 1 year 5.5 million dollar salary from Dallas. Fields does nothing great....what's his talent?? To me, he's a bench player for a playoff team...an over paid one (notice the constant theme for Bryan Collangelo??). Fields was smart to sign that offer....Hedo Turkglu was smart to sign that contract......Andrea was smart for signing his contract.....BC is the MORON.
    Gerald Green is not a better finisher, check the stats. Truth is that DeMar has made some improvements but is, after four years, still not a solid starter.

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    Quote special1 wrote: View Post
    Gerald Green is also a better finisher.....but that doesn't make him a better player either. I think we need to take a step back from all this talk about Ross being a starter or Fields being a starter NEXT YEAR. It just won't happen without MAJOR improvement.

    Truth is i like to give rookies a bit of slack....its tough being a rookie in the NBA. It's a grown man's game. Rookies don't get any respect from officials and veterans take advantage of their mistakes. That being said, I like Ross' game. He just needs to work on being consistent and aggressive. I think it would be foolish to throw him into the starter's role without seeing significant improvement next year.

    Fields?? Let's put it this way.....I would rather see Ross start over him. Actually, I was screaming for BC to offer *something* to O.J. Mayo. Mayo ended up with a 1 year 5.5 million dollar salary from Dallas. Fields does nothing great....what's his talent?? To me, he's a bench player for a playoff team...an over paid one (notice the constant theme for Bryan Collangelo??). Fields was smart to sign that offer....Hedo Turkglu was smart to sign that contract......Andrea was smart for signing his contract.....BC is the MORON.
    He can rain three's and he can finish. He's already a better defender too. But i doubt he'll ever get his chance with this team, BC will probably let him walk because of his love for DD and he'll end up torching us for the next decade just like all the other former raptor stars.
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