Ross has the tools to be a starting 2 in this league. I do think he still has ways to go & he can start by adding strength & muscle to his frame. He's very athletic (hops, first step, acceleration & top speed) but right now, he settles the in between floaters (which isn't bad) because it must be difficult for a skinny kid to finish around/over full grown men. His shot is shaky but I imagine it improving because he has a good form and release. Defensively, he can improve his awareness but he has the lateral quickness to stay in front of guys. Increasing his strength will also help him in terms of man defense.
I'm not ready to hand him the starting 2 spot but he does have the tools to be a very good player on both ends. He needs TLC from this organization so we can reap the benefits of his skill set.
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I definitely want Ross to be successful, hell, if he can be a much better player than Derozan, an all-star, than fuck, go ahead and do your thing and help the Raptors win games! My point is, I'm just not sold on Ross, and it looks like it's going to stay that way, with seeing more negative out of positive, and he seems to want to show it that way. Takes some possessions off, silly plays on both ends, not the best basketball IQ. He definitely has the potential, but I'm not ready to buy in because of it.
Bolded = If you mean dunking, sure. Finishing around the rim (contact layups, hooks, etc), I haven't seen enough of that from Ross to make any sort of judgement. I will admit, I am impressed with the fact that Ross tries to dunk every thing whenever he gets to the rim. Demar needs that mentality. Ross netted 13 points in 18 minutes, great. Derozan "netted" 20 points on 13 shots, got to the free throw line, and took advantage of his match-up. I'll say the shooting guards tonight were more than solid.
If I may, what made you change your mind on Derozan so drastically? To a guy that has rarely done anything so special for the team this season? Basing lots of love only on potential and sample is not exactly a great reason too; see, Andrea Bargnani - 13 games.
At this point in time - until proven otherwise - I'm content with Derozan, and I don't mind at ALL seeing Ross gone. If vice versa were to happen, I'd be extremely unhappy. Unless it's Fields that takes the starting spot, and that big man in return is Millsap or equal to.
Last edited by ReubenJRD; Thu Apr 11th, 2013 at 02:59 AM.
As for Ross, he's skinny but i've seen him finish multiple floaters and layups with contact. He has better balance and control of the ball than DeRozan. DeMar has great hang time but Ross arguably has better or equal hangtime. Ross has made some crazy shots in the lane against much bigger guys, he just never gets credit for it. I want DeRozan to be a slasher first, jump shooter later. But it seems as the years pass he continues to jack up long 2's instead of driving and finishing.
I like Ross' potential, which is why i want him to get a larger role next season
Last edited by NoPropsneeded; Thu Apr 11th, 2013 at 03:38 PM.
Ross is in his rookie season nobody knows where or how to guard him yet. DeMar had some awesome dunks in his rookie season too and data on him says dont open any lanes for him or else he will make you pay, DeMar compensated with adding some range, he now takes his jumper with utmost confidence. I agree he does fall in love with his jumper but when its money go to it which more often than not it has been DeMar can add some fakes to his game his jumper will now be respected through the league it could help him out. I'll only be happy with a DeMar trade if Ross is put in the starting line up and fed to the fire immediately to grow as a player.
Personally, I don't want Ross starting. IF the Raps trade Demar I want him replaced by a more mature, playoff experienced SG. As much as I trust Fields, he's been injury prone and is far more comfortable as a 3 or small 4. Starting Fields at the 2 takes offense out of the starting lineup. I'm okay with the current starters. Demar and Val are probably the easiest to trade. But unless you are getting substantially better I would avoid trading either. The changes this team will make should be with whatever you can get for Bargs, purchased/traded draft picks and minimum contracts.
We all know what this team needs-- a backup PG (or starting PG), a shooter, and a 4/5. Maybe Acy can relieve some of the needs as a backup big. If Ross continues down his current path maybe he becomes the shooter they need. That leaves a need at the 1. The real issue is that BC will be the person responsible for assessing who should be picked up from Europe, Asia, D League, undrafted NCAA kids, and NBA vets willing to take the minimum.
During his tenure BC has consistently failed to bring in the appropriate talent through any of these channels minus Garbo, and AP.
Second Bold: Fair Enough.
Third Bold: The game has changed so much, that the "mid-ranged game" is now considered to be the "long-two's" game. The mid ranged was one of the best weapons in the NBA, and I'm personally glad to see it. Defenses force you to take those "long-two's" nowadays, but if you're able to hit these shots, it almost becomes flawed to guard a player that way.
Overall, I do agree with the fact that Ross' athleticism is much better than Derozan's, and that Ross is actually a solid finisher, but I just don't see the ceiling everybody else does.
I do believe Demar has much room to grow that, due to the fact his ball-handling, shooting, and strength all have it's ways to go, even without these things, he's an NBA starter, and probably an NBA starter on a number of teams.
Bringing a team back into games single handedly is easier said that done obviously, and there aren't many players that can do so. Demar is not that guy. Rudy might not even be that guy.
If ross were put in derozans situations for 4 years I have no doubt that ross would be the much better player. He needs to be given his chance.
Once a guy reaches year 3 or 4 your starting to ask whether he can maintain his performance for a career. You should no longer be talking about potential... you know what you have.
Strangely enough I think Derozan is a great example of it. He's barely changed over the last 3 years.
If I may, how has Demar barely changed over the last 3 years?
There are a few players that have significantly changed to the better over time in the NBA, but they are few and far between. Most change very little after there first 3 or 4 years. If anything its their role that changes.
As for Demar - he's still an inefficient scorer with no range, no handles, barely any defense, that relies on athleticism. The numbers back that up with little difference in his raw per36 and advanced numbers.
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