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    Default Zach Randolph anyone?

    I love this guys game and would be pumped if there was a way to get him in a Raps uniform. If we could get him, would you want him on the Raptors?

    Hypothetical: Raps trade Bargs and Fields (or perhaps another piece) to the Lakers for Pau Gasol in the offseason. I like this trade for the Raps. We rid ourselves of Bargs uselessness and troublesome contract, as well as Landry's troublesome (arguable) contract. We get a large expiring contract in return, with little change in overall payroll. The Lakers get two decent pieces in return, they are both fairly young with some upside. Fields can be a good role player off the bench, and Bargs can be a spacing backup for Dwight if he resigns with LA. I'm not sure if LA would like this trade, but it seems that Gasol's future there is coming to an end. A Bargs/Howard frontline might be good for them too as Bargs could spot up behind the arc, drawing out his defender and giving Howard more room to work. He could certainly fill that role better than Gasol, and the Lakers might be one of the few teams that can actually get something out of Bargs.

    Next year, we start shopping Pau to Memphis for Randolph to see if they are interested. I know Memphis got shafted when they traded Pau to the Lakers, and they may very well be interested in pairing him with his brother. We can complete this trade (if all parties are happy) during the season, at the deadline, or in the 2014 offseason via sign and trade. We get a great PF who is re-united with Gay and Lowry and Memphis gets a great PF to pair with his brother Marc. I'm not sure if Memphis would see value in this, but to me it would seem that they really wouldn't be losing anything here. Of course, if Memphis isn't interested we still have a large expiring contract to move at next years deadline and cap room to play with in the offseason.

    So, thoughts on acquiring Randolph? Via this route or any other?

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    Won't happen :/
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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Won't happen :/
    Good insight.

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    Yea sorry for being snob (today I'm lazy )
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    A deal centered around Bargs and Gasol, is a big part of this trade. If that kind of trade was available I think I would have already been done. I figure the lakers would rather keep gasol for one more year and let him walk as a free agent in order to get their cap situation down. As far as Randolph goes, yes he's good, but he and Gay never did do much together in memphis. Not really sure why we want to re create a team that never made it to a conference finals.

    Lastly, I can't see Memphis wanting Gasol or Randolph except to maybe sell tickets. Also, why would LA want bargs and filler when they could just trade gasol for randolph straight up? I mean if Randolph Gasol works, I don't see why a Howard/Randolph would work either.

    Second lastly, Randolph is older and doesn't fit into the age group. I'd rather get a guy whose a little younger.
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    That's what I wanted to put. No one wants Bargnani. If Memphis wants Pau Gasol they can deal directly with LA.
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    What glue are you sniffing

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    I understand that any contract can be moved. Then there's Andrea Bargnani's. AB7 = Roberto Luongo. A deal that involves Zach, Pau and Andrea is Cheech and Chong stuff man!
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    I know everyone wants Bargnani gone, like yesterday ... and maybe he in fact gets shipped in the offseason, BUT talk about dealing low on an asset.

    Even the biggest Bargs haters would have to admit that he is better than the multi-injured, 12.7PPG season we just witnessed. Greater value would come from giving him a few months to put up numbers ... but as we saw, he doesn't do well in a reserve role - perhaps starting him just to add value is too steep a price for our organization.

    My dream sequence for a year or two has been a Demar and Bargs deal for KLove ... but at current values, that is just a pipe dream ... As in, smoking the pipe.
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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    I understand that any contract can be moved. Then there's Andrea Bargnani's. AB7 = Roberto Luongo. A deal that involves Zach, Pau and Andrea is Cheech and Chong stuff man!
    +1, won't happen...

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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    I know everyone wants Bargnani gone, like yesterday ... and maybe he in fact gets shipped in the offseason, BUT talk about dealing low on an asset.

    Even the biggest Bargs haters would have to admit that he is better than the multi-injured, 12.7PPG season we just witnessed. Greater value would come from giving him a few months to put up numbers ... but as we saw, he doesn't do well in a reserve role - perhaps starting him just to add value is too steep a price for our organization.

    My dream sequence for a year or two has been a Demar and Bargs deal for KLove ... but at current values, that is just a pipe dream ... As in, smoking the pipe.
    DeRozan & Bargnani & 1st round pick (if pick goes to OKC this year) for Love & Ridnour... my pipe dream as well!

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    A dream I know. I'm not sure anybody would want Bargs at this point, we may be stuck with him until his contract is expiring. I don't want Pau either, but thought maybe this scenario might be possible based on previous rumours. I'll ensure I don't create posts after I smoke in the future lol

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    The proposed idea may be difficult(not impossible) but there are ways to acquire Randolph if the Raps. really want him. Acquiring Pau first is unnecessary if Pau is not the Guy they want. That being said, I think we should do the trade for Pau and stop there.
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    I'm not high on Randolph, Gasol, Boozer or Jefferson, mainly because of their age. I'd prefer the Raps target a younger PF that will be able to grow with the team's young core over the next few seasons, especially if DeRozan is going to be included in the trade. Guys like Love or Millsap are definitely much higher on my list of potential PF targets.

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    The Lakers have been rumoured to be uninterested in taking on any additional salary past 2014 as they want their books to be as clean as possible to being rebuilding around Howard in the Post-Kobe era. And even if that weren't true, I know the Lakers could find a better deal for Gasol (especially since he's expiring) than a bunch of crap (Bargnani/Fields) from one of the worst teams in the league.

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    Quote JawsGT wrote: View Post
    We rid ourselves of Bargs uselessness and troublesome contract, as well as Landry's troublesome (arguable) contract. The Lakers get two decent pieces in return, they are both fairly young with some upside.
    See the problem ? you think laker managment is stupid for some reason, i hate the lakers but their front office is far from stupid. Plus you are disregarding everything going on in the real world. If bargs contract had 1 less year on it, he would be a laker already, they clearing space for player X, the only player under contract past Kobe's retirement is steve Nash, and Dwight (in theory), they dont even want to commit to MWP right now you think for one second their first commitments will be to Bargs and Fields ? you think the city of Angels wont riot if that happens ?

    The thing Gay liked the most about being traded here was getting away from zack randolph because it didnt give him the space to do what he wanted, now you want to bring them back togheter ?

    Seeing 2 trades to get a player is plausible, now planning 2 trades 8 months apart is ridiculous, A lot can, and a Lot WILL happen between july 1st and the trade deadline. So getting a player just to get another player is how we're stuck with fields with no nash to show for it, which would still have made it a bad signing but thats a different topic.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    DeRozan & Bargnani & 1st round pick (if pick goes to OKC this year) for Love & Ridnour... my pipe dream as well!
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    How 'bout a more realistic option in Luis Scola. Bargnani for him. I know salaries don't match but they could work something out. Suns would do it because they need a refresh. And Scola is not happy there.

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    I doubt they can get Scola (at $4mill a year vs. Bargs value at $11mill.). If this is a how to trade Bargs thread and not a ZBo thread here's my suggestion:

    1. Look for long contracts that a team may need to shed to avoid future tax.
    2. Look for teams with full rosters who have cap space but need to move players
    3. Look for teams desperate for a wing that have cap flexibility.
    4. A team that wants immediate "talent" instead of a stashed away prospect, or draft pick.
    5. A GM who is desperate OR has enough job security to make a serious gamble.

    Memphis makes little sense because they made 2 trades this season to free up cap for financial reasons. Suns would probably move Channing Frye, but you'd probably have to take Beasley with him. BCo would probably throw in a 2nd rounder for no reason also. BTW Frye and Beasley expire at the same time as Bargs...so no financial relief AND you get a headcase like Beasley. No way either team wants Demar's contract.

    As stated earlier Lake show is clearing there cap too...Maybe if Charlotte, Minnesota, or even Cleveland get desperate there's a trade to be made. Simply by using common sense you can narrow the list down of where Bargs can go, which teams would want Fields or Demar added to the trade, and who wants talent over a draft pic in this year's draft.

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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    Even the biggest Bargs haters would have to admit that he is better than the multi-injured, 12.7PPG season we just witnessed. Greater value would come from giving him a few months to put up numbers ... but as we saw, he doesn't do well in a reserve role - perhaps starting him just to add value is too steep a price for our organization.
    That's probably the same excuses people were making about Andris Biedrins about 4 years ago. I think it's safe to say that Warriors fans are breathing a collective sigh of relief that Biedrins' contract is almost over.
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