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    Default Giannis Adetokunbo 6-9 Greek Freak

    According to Sheridanhoops.com BC attended a Junior tournament in Greece to watch Giannis and he did not dissapoint. The guy is freaky Athletic at 6-9 and a 7-3 wingspan and he has grown 3 inches over the last 3 months. I know we don't have a pick this year but if there was any way we could trade into the 20s and get him I would be for it



    Give it a watch pretty cool stuff.

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    and yes I'm aware the competition he faces in the video is pretty weak...

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    Thank you Bryan Colangelo for trading that 1st round pick for Kyle Lowry
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Thank you Bryan Colangelo for trading that 1st round pick for Kyle Lowry
    Once you these rookies play next year. Your take that back.

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    Quote JackfromNZ wrote: View Post
    and yes I'm aware the competition he faces in the video is pretty weak...
    He's a tough on to gauge. I honestly have a hard time seeing him have an impact if he's drafted in the first round and brought over immediately. He has never played against a high level of competition. So, he seems like the ideal draft and stash pick, which bumps him automatically into the 2nd round. This makes it easier to acquire a pick that could potentially land him, but also less likely he'll still be around, because it's hard to believe he would last very long in the 2nd round. I'd be quite surprised if a team takes him in the first round though.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    He's a tough on to gauge. I honestly have a hard time seeing him have an impact if he's drafted in the first round and brought over immediately. He has never played against a high level of competition. So, he seems like the ideal draft and stash pick, which bumps him automatically into the 2nd round. This makes it easier to acquire a pick that could potentially land him, but also less likely he'll still be around, because it's hard to believe he would last very long in the 2nd round. I'd be quite surprised if a team takes him in the first round though.
    A stash job doesn't immediately put him in the secound round. Some of the better teams might take him at the second half of the first round and just see how he develops in the CBA.

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    A stash job doesn't immediately put him in the secound round. Some of the better teams might take him at the second half of the first round and just see how he develops in the CBA.
    You mean D-League?

    I know it doesn't necesarily mean 2nd round, but again, he's NEVER played against adult competition. Draft someone in the 1st round so they can spend 2-3 years in the D-League? I'm not sure that's the best route. Frankly, for skills development, I would trust a top tier European league more. 1 or 2 years playing for Olympiacos or Panathinaikos would be much much better IMO. A team could easily draft him in the 1st, but I don't think that's a good decision compared to the alternative.

    *Add the knew frugality in decisions as teams are trying to avoid the tax, and it's extra reason for a team not to pay guaranteed money to an obvious project.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    You mean D-League?

    I know it doesn't necesarily mean 2nd round, but again, he's NEVER played against adult competition. Draft someone in the 1st round so they can spend 2-3 years in the D-League? I'm not sure that's the best route. Frankly, for skills development, I would trust a top tier European league more. 1 or 2 years playing for Olympiacos or Panathinaikos would be much much better IMO. A team could easily draft him in the 1st, but I don't think that's a good decision compared to the alternative.

    *Add the knew frugality in decisions as teams are trying to avoid the tax, and it's extra reason for a team not to pay guaranteed money to an obvious project.
    I meant ACB, sorry. The Bulls drafted Mirotic in the first round and he's still over there. Keeping him there prevents a team from adding salary by drafting a rookie they don't play and later on they can either get him over of use him as a trade asset.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    I meant ACB, sorry. The Bulls drafted Mirotic in the first round and he's still over there. Keeping him there prevents a team from adding salary by drafting a rookie they don't play and later on they can either get him over of use him as a trade asset.
    I stand corrected. Still, from a scouting perspective, Mirotic had played a season against men. Like I said, I think Giannis is really hard to gauge in terms of where he'll be drafted. It seems obvious he wouldn't come over right away, but he has so much intrigue surrounding him. I could see him being drafted in the late teens, or I could see him fall all the way to the 40s.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    I meant ACB, sorry. The Bulls drafted Mirotic in the first round and he's still over there. Keeping him there prevents a team from adding salary by drafting a rookie they don't play and later on they can either get him over of use him as a trade asset.
    It really is a good option for teams.

    You have a player develop off your payroll and when they mature more then come in to the league on a cap friendly contract.

    It is a win-win.... unless we are talking about Fran Vasquez.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I stand corrected. Still, from a scouting perspective, Mirotic had played a season against men. Like I said, I think Giannis is really hard to gauge in terms of where he'll be drafted. It seems obvious he wouldn't come over right away, but he has so much intrigue surrounding him. I could see him being drafted in the late teens, or I could see him fall all the way to the 40s.
    It is said that he has a affordable buy out, now if he hadn't, a talent like him would be more likely to drop to the second round (like Pekovic) because teams can pay those players more when they come over making it possible to subsidize the buy out.

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    Not related to this player in particular, but: I think that the picks right at the end of the first round are much better choices for "stash" picks, and in fact are among the most undervalued assets in basketball. Why? First round draft picks get rookie scale contracts mandated by the league: two years guaranteed, then two years of team options. Second round picks you have to negotiate with, but usually get 2 year deals near the minimum. That means that if they blossom into good players, you have to pay them starting in year 3. The rookie scale for end-of-the-1st-round picks is right around the minimum as well, but you get 'em for 4 years for nothing if you want, or you can drop 'em after two if they don't pan out. It's a win-win.

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    Not to state the obvious BUT if BC is looking at this kid so is everyone else. That will drive up the price of any draft pick he tries to buy to get him. Also, this kid has some serious immigration issues. You thought that Persian guy the Raps traded for was an issue. Kid has citizenship nowhere. Because of how talented he and his brothers are it looks like the Greek government may help on that side of things...but there are a lot of hurdles for a pick they'll have to purchase, just to stash. Not saying he shouldn't do it. Just don't get your hopes up.

    Also, a wise poster a few months back asked when was the last time BC targeted a player and moved up, down, or into the draft to get said player. Colangelo usually does nothing and takes what falls to him.

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    Yeah they are Masai Ujiri GM of the Nuggets is also looking at him and i'm sure other GM's will be

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    Quote JackfromNZ wrote: View Post
    Yeah they are Masai Ujiri GM of the Nuggets is also looking at him and i'm sure other GM's will be
    The kid's parent are from Nigeria. Masai may be the one trying to sell Colangelo on the kid. Masai always appears to have 2 goals: 1. Get NBA experience/contracts for African kids. 2. Win.

    You never know which one he is doing.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    He's a tough on to gauge. I honestly have a hard time seeing him have an impact if he's drafted in the first round and brought over immediately. He has never played against a high level of competition. So, he seems like the ideal draft and stash pick, which bumps him automatically into the 2nd round. This makes it easier to acquire a pick that could potentially land him, but also less likely he'll still be around, because it's hard to believe he would last very long in the 2nd round. I'd be quite surprised if a team takes him in the first round though.
    He plays two different competitions. Something draftexpress obviously is very strange on showing the videos, making it look very distorted. They just say he "plays in second division in Greece" then say "the competition is really low", then they show YOUTH competitions from high school games.

    Basically..........that's crazy. But these draft sites are all a bunch of hacks anyway.

    Actually, he plays TWO leagues. The under-18 high school league, and in a senior men's professional league. And yes, the second division in Greece is a fully professional basketball league of grown men. It has many players in it that have played in first divisions of Greece, Italy, Spain, and guys that have played in Eurocup and yes, guys that have played in Euroleague.

    It's a higher level than NCAA Division I. Draftexpress is doing something really bad against this kid, by showing all his clips against the high school players, and then saying it's the professional league he's playing in.

    He's playing in a VASTLY higher level than what is shown in just the high school games. Let me put it like this.......

    the clips of the high school games, that is what is called Greek D League. The senior league he plays on, with his actual team, Filathlitikos senior men's team.......that is Greek A2 League. Here is how that looks on Greek basketball pyramid:

    1. Greek A1 League - pro league's 1st division, and one of the best leagues in Europe and the world
    2. Greek A2 League - pro league's 2nd division (where Giannis plays), higher level than NCAA DI
    3. Greek B League - Greece's semi pro level
    4. Greek C League - Greece's amateur level
    5. Greek D League - where the clips are from, the high school leagues.

    But draftexpress is making it seem in these reports and videos that those high school games from the 5th level of Greece, are the ones that are the 2nd level of Greece.

    I assure you, he is playing at a level that is VASTLY higher than what draftexpress is implying. Maybe they are too stupid to even grasp that the high school league isn't the the Greek 2nd division.
    Last edited by Basilis; Thu Apr 11th, 2013 at 07:08 PM.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    You mean D-League?

    I know it doesn't necesarily mean 2nd round, but again, he's NEVER played against adult competition. Draft someone in the 1st round so they can spend 2-3 years in the D-League? I'm not sure that's the best route. Frankly, for skills development, I would trust a top tier European league more. 1 or 2 years playing for Olympiacos or Panathinaikos would be much much better IMO. A team could easily draft him in the 1st, but I don't think that's a good decision compared to the alternative.

    *Add the knew frugality in decisions as teams are trying to avoid the tax, and it's extra reason for a team not to pay guaranteed money to an obvious project.
    Again FALSE and UNTRUE. Draftexpress is just nonsense. He plays in Greek 2nd division = fully professional men's senior league of grown men pro players.

    TOTALLY SEPARATE league from what draftexpress is pawning off, which is a high school tournament.

    Greek A2 League is loaded with pro players in their 20s and 30s. Guys that played first division in Greece and other good leagues like Italy and Spain..guys that played second European league (Eurocup), guys that played first European league (Euroleague).

    The draftexpress stuff on him is extremely misleading when it uses high school games as a representation of an actual pro men's league in Greece.
    Last edited by Basilis; Thu Apr 11th, 2013 at 07:10 PM.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Not to state the obvious BUT if BC is looking at this kid so is everyone else. That will drive up the price of any draft pick he tries to buy to get him. Also, this kid has some serious immigration issues. You thought that Persian guy the Raps traded for was an issue. Kid has citizenship nowhere. Because of how talented he and his brothers are it looks like the Greek government may help on that side of things...but there are a lot of hurdles for a pick they'll have to purchase, just to stash. Not saying he shouldn't do it. Just don't get your hopes up.

    Also, a wise poster a few months back asked when was the last time BC targeted a player and moved up, down, or into the draft to get said player. Colangelo usually does nothing and takes what falls to him.
    ANOTHER BS from draftexpress............my God this poor kid. Draftexpress article ruining every fact about him.

    He HAS Greek citizenship. He HAS a Greek passport. This whole thing was already debunked in Greek media weeks ago.

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    Quote Basilis wrote: View Post
    Again FALSE and UNTRUE. Draftexpress is just nonsense. He plays in Greek 2nd division = fully professional men's senior league of grown men pro players.

    TOTALLY SEPARATE league from what draftexpress is pawning off, which is a high school tournament.

    Greek A2 League is loaded with pro players in their 20s and 30s. Guys that played first division in Greece and other good leagues like Italy and Spain..guys that played second European league (Eurocup), guys that played first European league (Euroleague).

    The draftexpress stuff on him is extremely misleading when it uses high school games as a representation of an actual pro men's league in Greece.
    Ok man, calm down. The information on this kid is flawed because he came out of nowhere.

    Do you have any evidence of how well he is doing in the A2 league?

    *And possibly, any links to videos against such competition? Partly because I don't buy what you say about the competition. I've seen some ACB, LKL and Greek A1 ball...the bad teams in those leagues are arguably worse than better NCAA teams, so I can't see the quality of the A2 being that high, especially with the drop off after the better teams....just to say that the league he's playing in could easily affect his draft position. My thought is that at best, the better teams are about the same as the better NCAA teams.
    Last edited by white men can't jump; Thu Apr 11th, 2013 at 08:06 PM.

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    Quote Basilis wrote: View Post
    ANOTHER BS from draftexpress............my God this poor kid. Draftexpress article ruining every fact about him.

    He HAS Greek citizenship. He HAS a Greek passport. This whole thing was already debunked in Greek media weeks ago.
    This is coming from the guy who said all these players are Greek:

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    Rasho Nesterovic

    Kurt Rambis

    Rony Seikaly

    Peja Stojakovic

    Kostas Koufos

    Jake Tsakalidis

    Marko Jaric


    All of those Greek players had an impact in the NBA.
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