On the misleading...It's misleading because you never provided a source for the original interview you are talking about. This can be misleading because people will expect you to support THAT statement.
To take another example, that I'm half making up, but using because he is a very famous foreign player who got his American citizenship. I can say "Hakeem Olajuwon is American", and provide a link to an article, playerfile, whatever kind of legitimate basketball/news site could provide such evidence. It wouldn't be hard. But, if I said "Hakeem Olajuwon said on the radio he considers himself American", I should provide a link to that interview, or transcript of the interview. And it is not quite the same to instead provide an interview of Rudy Tomjonavich (who coached him professionally) or Lenny Wilkens (who coached him for Team USA) talking about Olajuwon's status and statements regarding them.
Right, that makes a lot of sense.............
Last edited by Basilis; Sun Apr 14th, 2013 at 07:18 PM.
*And if so, wouldn't this be the very definition of prejudice, a thing you are accusing many people of being as you call them racists?
Last edited by white men can't jump; Sun Apr 14th, 2013 at 07:21 PM.
I am not saying for example that Calathes or Koufos is not American. They are. They are also Greek. One does not trump the other.
So, I am being misleading according to you, for not having a link to something said from Greek radio, even though I totally backed up that it was true with an article that was talking about it........................OK... Wow, that's just absurd.
Last edited by Basilis; Sun Apr 14th, 2013 at 07:39 PM.
I think that if you had come on here and said that you view Stojakovic as both Greek and Croatian, because he holds dual citizenship, most people would have respected that. But the tone that you took made it sound more like you were arguing that he was Greek and not Croatian, even if that's not the argument you were trying to present.
Again, I tried to point it out using Olajuwon for a different example. You didn't say "Peja is a Greek citizen", you said something like "he was quoted in an interview as saying he considers himself Greek". And then instead of providing a link to that interview or a transcript, or even a different interview with Peja, anything where he is in fact saying what you speak of directly, himself, firsthand to the writer or radio/tv interviewer, you provide an interview of a separate person who make a reference to how Peja considers his culture Greek. If this was a paper, and you were being graded for references, this one would be invalid and you would lose points.
*And it is not crazy to expect to get a link to a radio interview. You can frequently find the interviews from the Toronto sports radio station after they take place. Or if it's a short interview on any website, it is not unusual to see a transcript, or limited pieces quoted in an internet story.
Last edited by white men can't jump; Sun Apr 14th, 2013 at 07:59 PM.
-My daughter was born outside of canada, when i went to file for paperwork i said i wanted to apply for citizenship, they corrected me and said you're not applying for citizenship,she already has it what you want is a proof of citizenship. That's with her never stepping foot in canada.
-Proof of citizenship gives you access to all the rights and privileges of a citizen like working and applying for a passport.
-She still needed a valid canadian passport to get in the country, citizenship is not a traveling document, which is a why a PASSPORT is needed, its a travel document not a proof of citizenship.
-Steve Nash was not born in Canada, played for the canadian team, and is considered the best CANADIAN bball player in the NBA history.
-My parents are from country X, but i was born and raised in canada, i identify with both cultures because both those cultures contributed in the person i am today. And the same goes for my friends of arabic, haitian, greek, italian, etc decent. we always identified as Canadian/X
So to sum it up.
Citizenship =/= Passport.
Place of birth =/= National identity.
Dual citizenship is legal on paper and in peoples heart.
Us arguing about who should be considered what, is not a factor in the final verdict no matter how we skew our views.
In Greece they have strict rules on nationality. 6 of the 12 active players in any game have to be Greek. And you can't just make someone Greek, or "naturalize" them, like you can in FIBA. No, they have to be actually Greek citizens.
The only way that happens is if they are born in Greece, live there, and go through all the processes to be a full citizen, or if they have Greek blood and are natural born citizens at birth, or if they are not born in Greece, but as KIDS lived in Greece and went through all the path to citizenship.
And just so you understand this, take the issue of Kurt Rambis.....when he played in Greek League, NO ONE was allowed to play there unless they were a natural born Greek citizen. So, by any measure imaginable, Rambis is Greek.
I also never claimed that Peja was not Serbian (should be Serbian, not Croatian). I never said any such thing. I only disputed those falsely saying that he isn't Greek. Of course he is Serbian. He's a Serbian-Greek.
I am disputing the people that are saying he isn't Greek, which is almost every single person here. That's not true. And the people claiming he can't be Greek, because he's Serbian, are obviously being absolutely ridiculous.
It's like saying that anyone that is Italian American, or Irish American, or whatever, is in no way in hell actually American at all. It's just freaking stupid and is complete nonsense.
On the topic of what the individual themselves identify with, Peja always has been very clear that he's a Greek in his mind and opinion, and that is why he has lived in Greece since he was 16, married a Greek, his kids were born in Greece, etc.
This is the point about Seikaly....he has always said he's a Greek in his mind and viewpoint, and nothing else. He lived in Greece even when he was playing in NBA. In fact, you want to know how freaking ridiculous some people are being here? I mean really know how absurd their comments here are?
The NBA and the Miami Heat both officially recognized Rony Seikaly as a GREEK player. For YEARS, he was listed as a Greek player by them. The even used to call him "Greek Heat" as his nickname. Oh yeah, but in this forum it's being seen as lying, trolling, craziness, whatever, to say he was Greek.
I mean, Seikaly was called Greek everywhere. EVERYWHERE in USA, he was known as a Greek player. So what in the hell are these people here even talking about?
Last edited by Basilis; Sun Apr 14th, 2013 at 08:13 PM.
Let's just nuke Greece and get it over with.
Yeah, I'm done too. I agree with you and give you a suggestion about how you can make your point better, and you respond with a very angry essay that has nothing to do with my post. Hope you have better luck on the next basketball forum you end up on.
Wasn't he going to leave?
holy shit I come back to this forum after God knows how long and find some 12 year old throwing temper tantrums trying to prove who's Greek and who isn't? Time definitely well spent...
Give us back our Lithuanian STAUSKAS!!!!!!1111!11!!!!111!!!
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