The Derozan/Hollinger bit was priceless!
The Derozan/Hollinger bit was priceless!
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Season has been a utter failure. Demar and Rudy's contracts even make the near future bleak.
I don't think DeMar is getting enough credit. We wanted him to improve his game, and get bigger--he did. Does he have more to work on? Yes. But don't you guys think he, if anyone, knows that? He's coach-able and disciplined as a gym rat, meaning any good coach we bring in, hypothetically if DC doesn't improve his own skills, is gonna address that because DeRozan is humble enough to want to get better. Ofcourse he's gonna defend his team/himself after getting ridiculed, publicly, in the media. I would say what he said, too. That's what honor is. We don't even have to go into who's showed no honor as a past Raptor. It's not his fault he's had no one to truly mentor him that had credibility, on the team. Anyways, I just think he deserves a bit more credit. Dude's even getting calls his way, more than last year. Jus sayin.
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Yeah, he nailed it, though I will say DeRozan had his best season as a pro, for whatever that's worth. He still needs to work on the handles, defense, and 3 point shooting.
For me, Jonas' upside, and Amir's season are the only highlights.
Last edited by GhostDog; Tue Apr 16th, 2013 at 01:30 PM.
1. Amnesty Kleiza
2. Trade Bargnani for something positive, even a good backup PG would be acceptable at this point (ie: to Minny for Ridnour & Williams would be ideal)
3. Trade DeRozan for a starting PF (ie: S&T deal for Millsap would be ideal)
4. depending on exact details of #2 & #3, the net effect could mean the Raps have a full MLE available for potentially an additional upgrade
Any cap space Toronto had would have been used to facilitate a trade as free agency is rarely an option for Toronto because they have sucked for 5 years. Essentially, the type of deal they did for Gay was the type of deal they'd have likely done in the off season. The trade would have left them with the same cap situation they currently have, MLE, and Jose's Bird Rights.
That would leave the team at approx. 40 mi or so, with Jonas/Amir/Ed for their bigs (Acy aswell), Ross/Fields/Demar and ofcourse Lowry. They would also have had approx 7.4 in expiring contracts in Lucas, Gray and Kleiza.
That leaves plenty of room to go after all sorts of players, still resign Lowry and Ed etc (or the option to go in the completely opposite direction should they choose to - tank and take on bad contracts for picks. Just throwing that out there)
Given a 'didn't trade for Gay' future, I don't see how amnestying Bargnani isn't or shouldn't be an option. (I actually still don't see why its not an option now, but from a flexibility stand point is does make less now than previously.)
I'll agree that amnestying Bargnani makes less sense post-Gay-trade as they still won't have any flexibility even if they cut ties with him, but if they stayed the course of the "rebuild" (didn't trade for Gay)I think it should have been seriously considered.
It would have given them a significant hunk of cap space this summer to go after a guy like Millsap and fill another void as well (backup PG perhaps?). Considering what AB's trade value is right now - I think the value of cutting him would be pretty high if it meant that they could use that money to sign a player(s) that would step into their rotation for the next few seasons. What exactly would the other options be? Keep paying him $12 million and hope that he magically turns it around? Trade him to another team for their unwanted and overpaid garbage? I know you're a big proponent of the Boozer trade but the need for a guy like that goes way down if Colangelo hadn't backed himself into this "win now over the next 2 years" corner.
Last edited by Fully; Tue Apr 16th, 2013 at 02:52 PM.
PG: Lowry, JL3
SG: DD, Ross
SF: Fields, Kleiza
PF: Davis, Amir
C: JV, Gray
plus $18M in cap space to be used in free agency or trades.
I am sorry but this does not give me tingles or cause for excitement. This team (plus St. Jose) was still only 17-30 prior to getting Gay.
But honestly, does this team now gives you the tingles? I ask myself the very same question about this team - are they trying to win ? And if they are what is it? The right to lose in the first round of the playoffs if everything goes their way? The above team, with reasonable use of the cap space that would have been created, could do the same to. Not because they are anything special, but because the east after the top few teams sucks.
Atleast with the other roster they had a lot more flexibility to make significant changes over this offseason, and/or during the season. Not only in terms of possibly adding peices, but completely changing direction if necessary.
Anyway more to the point, amnestying Bargnani in that scenario still makes sense.
Last edited by Craiger; Tue Apr 16th, 2013 at 05:40 PM.
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