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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    They're not going to do better without kobe. The only reason theyre in playoff contention at all was because of kobe. He had to make up for everything the team lacked. I can't see 100 year old Nash trooping on or gasol staying on either.
    The Lakers will go into rebuild mode. They're likely in the lottery this year without Kobe and there are some decent late lottery players. They can go into tank mode next year for one of those great one and done players that are emerging from high school this year. They could do the unthinkable and amnesty Kobe and his 30 million salary, trade Gasol, etc. It will be interesting.

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    They would never Amnesty Kobe. That would be an outrage far greater than any team could absorb. Kobe is the Lakers.

    The key for them is find sufficient cap space to get a stacked roster. Only Dwight Howard and MWP have sufficient value to stay in the team.

    Pau, Nash, etc. They are all expendable.

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    They would never Amnesty Kobe. That would be an outrage far greater than any team could absorb. Kobe is the Lakers.

    The key for them is find sufficient cap space to get a stacked roster. Only Dwight Howard and MWP have sufficient value to stay in the team.

    Pau, Nash, etc. They are all expendable.
    Amnesty is likely if Kobe agrees to it. Think about it. He's not going to play next year anyway. He gets paid no matter what and Kobe comes back to the Lakers in 2014-15 to a new deal. Meanwhile the league's richest team has 30 million off the cap one year early.

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    Quote iblastoff wrote: View Post
    Sorry just to clarify but how is that rare for kobe? He always says whatever shit he wants. Secondly he certainly doesn't have a good reputation AT ALL. It's his skill that keeps him where he is. And his message didn't say shit besides being rightfully pissed about being hurt.
    That's why I wrote "athletes".
    I know, that's why I wrote "he just gained"
    And his message was him being honest and "There are far greater issues/challenges in the world then a torn achilles. Stop feeling sorry for yourself, find the silver lining and get to work with the same belief, same drive and same conviction as ever."
    Surprised you think this doesn't say a shit.
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    Amnesty is likely if Kobe agrees to it. Think about it. He's not going to play next year anyway. He gets paid no matter what and Kobe comes back to the Lakers in 2014-15 to a new deal. Meanwhile the league's richest team has 30 million off the cap one year early.
    He's already stated next season would be his last..
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    If LA wins the lottery without being a bottom-5 team, I will find it very difficult to ever watch the NBA again. Yes, it's statistically possible (it's a lottery) but there's no way I'd buy it.

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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    They would never Amnesty Kobe. That would be an outrage far greater than any team could absorb. Kobe is the Lakers.

    The key for them is find sufficient cap space to get a stacked roster. Only Dwight Howard and MWP have sufficient value to stay in the team.

    Pau, Nash, etc. They are all expendable.
    Wilt Chamberlain - Kareem Abdul Jabar - Magic Johnson - Shaq

    Thats just a sample of some of the greats that team has had.

    The Lakers are the Lakers. Kobe Bryant is just a player on that team right now. Lakers fans would give him a good send off and have more respect for him than ever if he took an amnesty without a fuss.


    I actually see the Lakers doing better without Kobe. Nash can be Nash.. Dwight can be Dwight.. and if D'Antoni plays Phoenix style ball they can be dangerous.

    The bigger question is would Gasol now become available? Or would they keep him knowing that Kobe is out for a year?
    I think its a good possibility. As great as Kobe is, he isn't what he used to be. And the Lakers had a significantly better record when he shot less. There is too much talent on that team to horde possessions. With Dwight looking like Dwight again, I'd wager they'll be comfortably in the playoffs next year.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    Wilt Chamberlain - Kareem Abdul Jabar - Magic Johnson - Shaq

    Thats just a sample of some of the greats that team has had.

    The Lakers are the Lakers. Kobe Bryant is just a player on that team right now. Lakers fans would give him a good send off and have more respect for him than ever if he took an amnesty without a fuss.
    Um no.

    Unfortunately, the average Laker fan, or any NBA fan for that matter, is not as smart as this. If the Lakers were to amnesty Kobe right now, the city of Los Angeles would probably explode.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    Um no.

    Unfortunately, the average Laker fan, or any NBA fan for that matter, is not as smart as this. If the Lakers were to amnesty Kobe right now, the city of Los Angeles would probably explode.
    would be fun to see

    "Without Kobe next year the Lakers will likely miss out on the playoffs. "

    Expect big trades next year form Lakers side. No way they are going to next season with this lineup.

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    1- Lakers are making the playoffs next year with or without Kobe, Nash And Howard led teams to the playoffs by themselves, Gasol could too, they wont be contenders but they'll be good enough for a 5-8 seed.

    2-They will not amnesty Kobe because he wont be able to resign with the lakers for 3 years Making him retire somewhere else if he ever wants to play again. After what he's done for them they wont force him into retirement like that.

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    It's fucking hilarious that a team with 4 future Hall Of Famers can barely make the playoffs. I blame the coach.

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    Quote Dino4life wrote: View Post
    1- Lakers are making the playoffs next year with or without Kobe, Nash And Howard led teams to the playoffs by themselves, Gasol could too, they wont be contenders but they'll be good enough for a 5-8 seed.

    2-They will not amnesty Kobe because he wont be able to resign with the lakers for 3 years Making him retire somewhere else if he ever wants to play again. After what he's done for them they wont force him into retirement like that.
    If Kobe gets amnestied, Lakers will be able to sign him again in 2014. He also would get his $30M next year ( it wouldnt count against lakers payroll ), plus lakers would save MORE THAN $80M in luxury taxes.

    If we look from business side, Kobe must be waived. There is no question. Would you have player in your roster who will play max couples months in that season? Or maybe not even a month. + Plus you would save over $80M in penalties and taxes if you amnesty him.

    But if we look from fans side, from respect side, then I doubt Lakers will waive him. But in my opinion Kobe's waiving should be in consideration talks.

    Kobe either way will get his $30M++ next year.

    EDIT: But wow, there are plenty of talks about Kobe while MRI results aren't on the hand yet.. wow.
    Last edited by rocwell; Sat Apr 13th, 2013 at 03:05 PM.

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    Quote Dino4life wrote: View Post
    1- Lakers are making the playoffs next year with or without Kobe, Nash And Howard led teams to the playoffs by themselves, Gasol could too, they wont be contenders but they'll be good enough for a 5-8 seed.

    2-They will not amnesty Kobe because he wont be able to resign with the lakers for 3 years Making him retire somewhere else if he ever wants to play again. After what he's done for them they wont force him into retirement like that.
    A few things.

    -Kobe has claimed next year would be his last anyways, which ofcourse may or may not be true.
    - I wasn't able to get the Larry Coon FAQs site to load but I'm pretty confident a team can't resign an amnestied player for the duration of their contract. If true that means the Lakers could resign him the year after. (someone correct me if this is wrong)
    - I'm not positive when the repeater tax rule starts (if its since the most recent CBA or if it accounts to before) the Lakers would save somewhere between (rough estimates) 60 and 100 mil dollars of tax on Kobe's salary.


    Assuming he is out for next season, I'd be shocked if they didn't amnesty him, and I'd be just as shocked if Laker fans did more than bat an eye at it. They all know his career is and was winding down anyways.

    Why would even the biggest Kobe fan care if the Lakers amnesty kobe given - he wasn't going to play anyways, he would get paid, and the team could resign him?

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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post
    EDIT: But wow, there are plenty of talks about Kobe while MRI results aren't on the hand yet.. wow.
    Yes, a partial tear can heal much faster than a complete tear. If it's only a partial he could be back in 6-9 months. However, if it's a complete tear, than he's probably done for a full season.

    IF the Lakers were allowed to sign him after next season when his current contract is up, and they were reasonably sure that Kobe wasn't go to play at all next season, then I don't why they couldn't come to an agreement and amnesty him. If I'm Kobe, I probably tell them it's a good idea. He still get paid, and the org saves a lot of money, making it easier for them to win 1 more title when he returns (if he decides to not retire). From my understanding, the only disadvantage is that LA would no longer have his bird rights, but considering he's coming off a crazy salary, a crazy injury, and is in the twilight of his career I think it's safe to assume that he's not getting MAX money anymore, which means that he's not losing that much. Also the Lakers can compensate Kobe by doing a contract for multiple years, and front loading the contract. That way he makes money even if he retires.

    I never would have thought that It'd be possible, but amnestying bryant makes a lot of sense, and because KOBE is the face of the lakers, I can't see their being a lot of backlash. The only way the amnesty him, is if they explain the situation, make it clear that they are going to sign him back in the off season, that he is still a Laker in spirit, and that this is just a nifty way to save 80 million dollars.

    As long as Kobe is on board with it, because there's no way they do it unless he's on board, I think it's actually a real possibility, although, I'd say the odds are 4 to 1 that they DON'T amnesty him.
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    Quote ezz_bee wrote: View Post
    Yes, a partial tear can heal much faster than a complete tear. If it's only a partial he could be back in 6-9 months. However, if it's a complete tear, than he's probably done for a full season.

    IF the Lakers were allowed to sign him after next season when his current contract is up, and they were reasonably sure that Kobe wasn't go to play at all next season, then I don't why they couldn't come to an agreement and amnesty him. If I'm Kobe, I probably tell them it's a good idea. He still get paid, and the org saves a lot of money, making it easier for them to win 1 more title when he returns (if he decides to not retire). From my understanding, the only disadvantage is that LA would no longer have his bird rights, but considering he's coming off a crazy salary, a crazy injury, and is in the twilight of his career I think it's safe to assume that he's not getting MAX money anymore, which means that he's not losing that much. Also the Lakers can compensate Kobe by doing a contract for multiple years, and front loading the contract. That way he makes money even if he retires.

    I never would have thought that It'd be possible, but amnestying bryant makes a lot of sense, and because KOBE is the face of the lakers, I can't see their being a lot of backlash. The only way the amnesty him, is if they explain the situation, make it clear that they are going to sign him back in the off season, that he is still a Laker in spirit, and that this is just a nifty way to save 80 million dollars.

    As long as Kobe is on board with it, because there's no way they do it unless he's on board, I think it's actually a real possibility, although, I'd say the odds are 4 to 1 that they DON'T amnesty him.
    Results are here lol. Kobe Bryant's surgery is scheduled for 1 p.m. PT. "It's a third-degree tear. It's gone. Completely torn," said trainer Gary Vitti.

    It could involve Raptors for the next season for sure. Lakers will look some changes for the next season.

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    I think cause and effect are hard to determine. There's a few specialists quoted over on the rumours page at hoopshype who are of the opinion that it was not related to the amount of minutes he logged.

    I don't think it's fair to blame d'antoni. This isn't Any Given Sunday. Kobe wanted to be on that court, and kobe wanted to get into the playoffs. I was hoping for the lakers to miss the playoffs, but now I kind of want them to make it and give either the spurs or okc a run for their money. Still want them to lose in the first round though.
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    It's really difficult to say whether this will be his last game or not. He was thinking about retiring after next season. Also, if he knows he's going to be out a full season, then he has to work his ass off to rehab, only to play one more season? He's also stated he doesn't want to play unless he can play at elite level. It seems like he'll be 80%-90% of his old self, but not 100%. How long the rehab takes, and how much explosiveness he gets back will probably be the determining factors. That, and whether or not he thinks the lakers have a shot at another championship.
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    He was thinking about retiring. But he was also musing about playing until he was 40.

    Apparently the time-table set on his recovery is 6-9 months, which could place him right at the beginning of the season. People are blowing this waay out of proportion. Its Kobe. Of course he's going to come back from this.
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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    A few things.

    -Kobe has claimed next year would be his last anyways, which ofcourse may or may not be true.
    - I wasn't able to get the Larry Coon FAQs site to load but I'm pretty confident a team can't resign an amnestied player for the duration of their contract. If true that means the Lakers could resign him the year after. (someone correct me if this is wrong)
    - I'm not positive when the repeater tax rule starts (if its since the most recent CBA or if it accounts to before) the Lakers would save somewhere between (rough estimates) 60 and 100 mil dollars of tax on Kobe's salary.


    Assuming he is out for next season, I'd be shocked if they didn't amnesty him, and I'd be just as shocked if Laker fans did more than bat an eye at it. They all know his career is and was winding down anyways.

    Why would even the biggest Kobe fan care if the Lakers amnesty kobe given - he wasn't going to play anyways, he would get paid, and the team could resign him?
    You are right about this. However, they'd lose his bird rights. So the only way they'd be able to resign him is by getting him to sign as a free agent using one of their exceptions (max $5 million, but more likely $3 million), get far enough under the cap that they can sign him outright (possible, if they do a complete blow-up and don't resign Howard or any other big ticket UFAs), or get far enough under the tax apron that they can swing a sign-and-trade with whatever team owns his rights.

    Anyway, I think the 6-9 months timeframe from the doctor pretty-much puts a fork in the amnesty talk, unless the timeframe changes significantly between now and July.

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    Turns out the achilles was just ruptured, not torn, so it's less severe than previously thought. Still scary though.
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