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Fully wrote: View PostBut how do you propose the Raptors acquire a legit backup PG, a PF/C that gets 20-25 minutes a night and at least one knock down shooter (who isn't a complete liability on D) this summer?
For this role a team should particularly looking at 3rd NBA PGs with expiring contracts who are available, and probably Dleague starters. In the past what the Raps have done has been to bring in high scoring PGs like Lucas or that kid who got a trip doub before they cut him during the summer. Things they need to look for instead of scoring:
1/ability to defend multiple positions
2/" " " run an offence
Neither of these two things have been given a priority with Colangelo, but the players are out there because these types of players are only given priority by the Spurs.
PFs? Probably have to look for vets in Europe. Can't be a guy like Kleiza, but rather a low usage solid post player.
That's how it's done. I don't think Colangelo is capable of small, smart moves though.
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blackjitsu wrote: View PostHow do you get a legit backup PG, and a PF/C? It's not a glamorous job. To do it, a team needs to have a strong scouting team.
For this role a team should particularly looking at 3rd NBA PGs with expiring contracts who are available, and probably Dleague starters. In the past what the Raps have done has been to bring in high scoring PGs like Lucas or that kid who got a trip doub before they cut him during the summer. Things they need to look for instead of scoring:
1/ability to defend multiple positions
2/" " " run an offence
Neither of these two things have been given a priority with Colangelo, but the players are out there because these types of players are only given priority by the Spurs.
PFs? Probably have to look for vets in Europe. Can't be a guy like Kleiza, but rather a low usage solid post player.
That's how it's done. I don't think Colangelo is capable of small, smart moves though.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostNot as good as Howard, no, I'll give you that.
But he certainly had a much better rookie year than 4yr Georgetown product and 22 year old rookie Roy Hibbert and a very comparable rookie-to-Hibbert's 2nd year:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/...36/roy-hibbert
The picks are a lottery ticket that might yield Wiggins or Bargnani.The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI've finally come around to moving on from Colangelo but credit should be given where due. He has made a few small smart moves in his time here. Parker, Garbo, Amir come immediately to mind.
Trading for Gay
Picking up Lowry for what looks like the 12th overall pick
Getting rid of Hedo
Albeit there were many bad moves, he has had some success in the draft and making sneaky trades.The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!
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enlightenment wrote: View PostDrafting Val, Derozan, Ed Davis
Trading for Gay
Picking up Lowry for what looks like the 12th overall pick
Getting rid of Hedo
Albeit there were many bad moves, he has had some success in the draft and making sneaky trades.
*The forest is nicknamed Perennial Loser by the locals
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enlightenment wrote: View PostHow in the WORLD did Roy Hibbert make the All-Star team with those numbers? Holy crap. Val can make it next year if given the minutes..
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enlightenment wrote: View PostDrafting Val, Derozan, Ed Davis
Trading for Gay
Picking up Lowry for what looks like the 12th overall pick
Getting rid of Hedo
Albeit there were many bad moves, he has had some success in the draft and making sneaky trades.
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enlightenment wrote: View PostDrafting Val, Derozan, Ed Davis
Trading for Gay
Picking up Lowry for what looks like the 12th overall pick
Getting rid of Hedo
Albeit there were many bad moves, he has had some success in the draft and making sneaky trades.
The Raps have 2 years to build a winning culture by making the playoffs twice before they have the financial flexibility to woo a potential star. Maybe Val becomes that star and it's all a moot point. However, my point is that small, non-glamorous moves need to be made. Not big splash, trade talent while keeping mediocre players, getting/losing lottery draft picks... moves.
BC throws 2nd round draft picks into trades like they're cookies. That's not the guy I want as a fan making the type of moves needed.
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blackjitsu wrote: View PostPlease don't take this personal, but moves involving first round draft picks, or pseudo stars cannot be constituted as "small, smart" moves. Getting gems like Garbo, Amir, AP those do. None were considered stars or highly recruited potential players when they came. They were just players who fit and played above public expectations. Garbo and AP were given smallish contracts while Amir was a throw-in in the CV trade. These are the types of moves that turn a loser like the Raps into a legit team. To become a great team you need stars-- yes. But to be a solid team it's all about the supporting cast.
The Raps have 2 years to build a winning culture by making the playoffs twice before they have the financial flexibility to woo a potential star. Maybe Val becomes that star and it's all a moot point. However, my point is that small, non-glamorous moves need to be made. Not big splash, trade talent while keeping mediocre players, getting/losing lottery draft picks... moves.
BC throws 2nd round draft picks into trades like they're cookies. That's not the guy I want as a fan making the type of moves needed.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostI agree with your points about Garbo & AP, but your info about Amir is wrong. He was acquired (along with Sonny Weems, who was a throw-in) by Toronto in a trade for Carlos Delfino (refused to re-sign for less than MLE and I hated to see him go because of his chemistry on 2nd unit with Calderon) & Roko Ukic.
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