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Thread: Official: Raps finish 12th - Was Lowry worth it?

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    I have a feeling we'll see the real Lowry next season, so yes it was worth it.
    Next season is gonna be one of the Raptors' best yet, book it.

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    In my mind it pretty much worked out how I expected... Prior to the season I assumed we would just miss out the playoffs. I thought we'd have a few more wins but definitely be in the 12-14 spot. We gave up good value and it isn't a high pick where there would be more media scrutiny on Lowry next season

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Definitely worth it. I've maintained all year that this exact situation we are in, would ultimately be the best for the long term. We get a potential perennial Starter at one of the harder spots to secure, and all we give up is a #12 pick? This had to be exactly what BC envisioned happening when he made the deal... Or is that giving him too much credit?
    Too much credit.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Too much credit.

    Haha Thought so. He probably envisioned us making the playoffs for all 5/6 years knowing his Ego .. haha
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    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    Except this was considered a weaker draft, and 5 lottery picks just said theyre returning to college. Trading Lowry for the 12th pick is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. He may be a borderline starter but in this draft the 12th pick will have a borderline role player.
    Total agreement. Trading Lowry for a rando 12th pick = laughable.

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    you guys shouldnt celebrated just yet. not untill the end of the month just. Remember the last bad draft ? we won it. If we win the 3rd pick overall with noel and bennett gone, our 2014 pick still in jeopardy, i think i'll cry for a whole week.

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    Quote Dino4life wrote: View Post
    you guys shouldnt celebrated just yet. not untill the end of the month just. Remember the last bad draft ? we won it. If we win the 3rd pick overall with noel and bennett gone, our 2014 pick still in jeopardy, i think i'll cry for a whole week.
    I won't cry selecting Trey Burke.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I won't cry selecting Trey Burke.
    That would be a dream come true.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I won't cry selecting Trey Burke.
    another 6'0 PG battle for the starting spot ? Do we really want to go down that road, i'm not even a fan lowry (i was a pass first back in my day) but we despratly need stability, and the opposite of lowry as back up pg so they can mesh.

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    Quote Dino4life wrote: View Post
    another 6'0 PG battle for the starting spot ? Do we really want to go down that road, i'm not even a fan lowry (i was a pass first back in my day) but we despratly need stability, and the opposite of lowry as back up pg so they can mesh.
    Chris Paul is 6'0". Ty Lawson is 5'10". I could go on but I won't.

    I suggest you read up on Burke, from DraftExpress:

    The consensus national player of the year in every major award, even before leading Michigan on an exhilarating NCAA Tournament run to the national championship game, Trey Burke made tremendous strides in his sophomore season, upping his NBA draft stock significantly in the process.

    Burke made a substantial statistical jump in many key areas this season, improving his scoring (+21%), assist (+40%) and steal (+75%) rates, upping his 2-point (+1%), 3-point (+3.5%), and free throw percentages (6.1%), while cutting down on his turnover rate (-35%) and nearly doubling his assist to turnover ratio. In addition, his pure point rating went from being ranked 57th amongst all NCAA point guards last season to second best this year.

    Burke is undersized for a point guard, standing around six feet with a relatively narrow frame, but as mentioned in the past, he compensates for that somewhat with an extremely long 6-5 wingspan. He is a solid athlete as well, quick in the open floor and extremely shifty in the half-court, although not terribly explosive around the basket.

    The engine behind the #1 offense in college basketball, Burke was arguably the best pick and roll point guard in the NCAA this season, able to put incredible pressure on the defense thanks to the tremendous balance he brings between scoring and facilitating for others. The fact that he can make shots from anywhere on the floor, find the open man instantaneously, or get to the rim makes him extremely difficult to game-plan against.

    A highly creative passer, Burke can make plays for teammates in a number of ways, using lobs, bounce passes, kick-outs or dump-offs to find the open man confidently in the half-court or in transition. He sees the floor well, and is not predictable at all with the way he decides to attack the defense on any given possession, thanks to his tremendous versatility.

    A fantastic ball-handler with the ability to create offense with either hand and also change speeds at will, Burke has terrific timing and patience in the half-court, not being afraid to use his body to seek out contact in the lane or put a defender on his hip in the mid-range area to create an advantage. He is an expert at stopping and using an extra dribble or two to force the defense to react, and then subsequently reading what happens, either finding the open man or pulling up off the dribble himself.

    His maturity as a playmaker came a long way this season, as he did a great job cutting down on turnovers this season, coughing the ball up on just 13% of his possessions, second best among DX Top-100 ranked point guards.

    In addition to the 7.7 assists per-40 minutes he averaged this season, Burke also carried Michigan on plenty of nights in the scoring column as well, averaging 21.5 points per-40 on excellent shooting percentages (50% 2P%, 38% 3P%, 80% FT%).

    Burke is first and foremost an excellent shooter, able to make shots with both his feet set (44%) or off the dribble (42%), inside and outside the arc. He has excellent core strength and subsequently deep range on his jump-shot, as he displayed on numerous occasions by hitting dagger shots from well beyond the NBA 3-point line at some of the biggest moments of Michigan's season. He has unlimited confidence in his abilities and looks to be extremely tough both mentally and physically, playing the game with terrific swagger.

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2R3Pu2Ikz

    His downfalls are defense and his frame which are said about every 6'0" point guard.
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    its not that its bad that he s 6 0, but what i meant is that you d have two similar pg in styles, so the debate is gonna start before we even get into training camp, then its BC trade happy, whereas a Big is not expected to lead right away, and either one of them would flow in perfectly with amir and JV.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Chris Paul is 6'0". Ty Lawson is 5'10". I could go on but I won't.

    I suggest you read up on Burke, from DraftExpress:




    His downfalls are defense and his frame which are said about every 6'0" point guard.
    Top 3 though? Not even Chris Paul went top 3. GM's aren't fans on small guards in top 3.

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    I also don't think BC would do that. After Kyle Lowry finally statrting to feel comfortable. I don't see BC doing anything to shake that up. In this draft you can't pass on the hometown kid at the position of need. Rogers/Bell would love that pick. That would sell a lot of tickets.

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    Colangelo is lucky that this is such a weak draft class. Right now i'd take Lowry over any of the guys that are projected to go 10-30. Except Giannis Adetokunbo. I'm intrigued by this guy's skillset.
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    If I think positive about next season will it jinx us?

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    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    I don't see how some could argue he's not. With Harris, Smart, McGary, and Robinson III all returning for another year, one of the worst drafts managed to get worse. I'd be surprised if this is much better than the Kenyon Martin draft. 100% worth it.
    +1. trade got better.

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    Quote Dino4life wrote: View Post
    its not that its bad that he s 6 0, but what i meant is that you d have two similar pg in styles, so the debate is gonna start before we even get into training camp, then its BC trade happy, whereas a Big is not expected to lead right away, and either one of them would flow in perfectly with amir and JV.
    Lowry and Burke's game are nothing alike. In the draft you take the best talent. PG is also a very big position of need in Toronto. Burke is on a rookie deal for 4 seasons which means the Raptors would have his rights for up to 8. See how Eric Bledsoe has worked out with the Clippers.
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    In a vacuum it's a pretty good deal. The chances of getting a better player than Lowry at #12 in this particular draft are low.

    Big picture wise I still have my doubts however. The reports of him clashing with Casey and "not making any friends in Toronto" are concerning, especially since he's already worn out his welcome in two other cities. And at the end of the day he was an inconsistent piece on a 34 win team.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Lowry and Burke's game are nothing alike. In the draft you take the best talent. PG is also a very big position of need in Toronto. Burke is on a rookie deal for 4 seasons which means the Raptors would have his rights for up to 8. See how Eric Bledsoe has worked out with the Clippers.
    I'm with you on this one. I would definately take Burke if i had the chance (no brainer imo). I could care less if this impacts Lowry negatively. Chauncey Billups, Chris Paul, Eric Bledsoe.......all good PGs....same team.....enough said.

    Weak players shy away from competition.... You should always be prepared for competition (from within your team and from other teams).

    The last 2 drafts had PGs selected with #1 picks.

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    There's a couple problems with the original question:
    Primarily, it assumes that had the Lowry trade not occurred, we would still have finished in the exact same position in the standings. And that's impossible to assume. Maybe Calderon excels, the team is in playoff contention, and BC feels he needs to extend Calderon's contract rather than trading him. Or maybe Calderon goes down under the heavy workload, and Lucas ends up being our starter for most of the season, and the Raptors get a top 3 pick.
    And given that this was a rebuilding year, I think the only real question is Lowry's long-term value to the team, which will hinge largely on the terms of Lowry's next contract and his performance under it. I was and still am entirely in favour of the Lowry trade, and if you want to reduce to a simple equation then yes, Lowry > 2013 12th overall pick.

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