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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    The 2nd part yes, I just disagreed that Bosh is always called out as being not worth a max contract.
    No, I definitely agree that he is worth it. As in, no one else in the league at that time would question giving him a max contract. Like I said, I don't think that part is Colangelo's fault -- he was just unlucky. The unlucky part being that Glen Grunwald wasn't picking first overall in the 2003 NBA Draft.
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    Quote Letter N wrote: View Post
    The 2nd part yes, I just disagreed that Bosh is always called out as being not worth a max contract.
    I have always felt that Bosh was a solid player, but not a 'max player' to be built around. I think he'd be borderline to make the list of top-30 players in the NBA (I don't feel like doing a list right now) at best, plus I don't like the idea of building around a PF in this current NBA. He's one of the top PF in the league, a solid player, good teammate and was always a great team rep in the city, but I certainly don't think he's worth more than $15M per season (max would be roughly $20M+, pending the new salary cap).

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I have always felt that Bosh was a solid player, but not a 'max player' to be built around. I think he'd be borderline to make the list of top-30 players in the NBA (I don't feel like doing a list right now) at best, plus I don't like the idea of building around a PF in this current NBA. He's one of the top PF in the league, a solid player, good teammate and was always a great team rep in the city, but I certainly don't think he's worth more than $15M per season (max would be roughly $20M+, pending the new salary cap).
    Here is my thing with Bosh:

    What he did in Toronto (and in general) at a absolute level (ie. 20-10 on 50% shooting) is rare. But on a marginal level (ie. 21-9 on 50% or 18-11 on 48% etc) its rather common.

    There are lots of players who can do what he did. Not quite as good ofcourse, but very close, and often for much cheaper.

    Then we have a matter of 'the details'. He is a rather average rebounder, an average to below average defender and doesn't do much to make his teammates better at either end.

    Bosh is a very efficient and consistent player, specifically offensively. There is alot of value in that. He deserves to be a perennial all-star. But he doesn't have that unique quality true superstars or franchise players do. He doesn't dominate in any one, or numerous, aspects of the game. He doesn't have unique physical attributes that allows him to control either end of the floor. He doesn't have that cold blooded instinct/mental toughness others do. He just sort of 'is'.

    Its the guys who are unique, who are dominant in areas, who can control the outcome of games who deserve the max deals. Having him as your franchise/best player means your team isn't going to be "elite" without filling your roster with almost equivalent level talent across the board. Now if you pay him max dollars, you are going to have a much more difficult time filling out that roster with equivalent level talent.

    Just looking at guys who are PFs I'd rather have:

    -Ibaka
    -Pau
    -Lee
    -Love
    -Monroe
    -Horford
    -Aldridge

    They can all do what Bosh does, at differing levels ofcourse, but each have something more above and beyond Bosh.

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    Quote ebrian wrote: View Post
    I don't understand this perspective. Do you think Colangelo has developed a trojan horse virus, where he will activate the minute he gets fired, and when the next GM who is hired tries to check out our roster, the files will become corrupt and unreadable? Perhaps you think the payroll records, and all the statistics recorded by statisticians and SportsVU will suddenly become locked and only Colangelo has the key? And then they will have to call Colangelo and beg him to unlock the secrets on how to run a franchise properly?
    None of the above.

    I personally wold prefer not to do something AT ALL than to HAVE to leave it half done or incomplete. Same applies when I ask someone to do something for me. That person would appreciate if I allowed him/her to complete the task than being asked