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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    No doubt. I think they all do.

    I can't tell you how many times we have conversations going in the forums and then I read an article thinking, "hmmmm yeah that sounds very familiar."
    I'm still not sure what I think of you bringing Rudy Gay to Toronto...

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    I'm still not sure what I think of you bringing Rudy Gay to Toronto...
    Yeah, wasn't that Matt with the whole entire website large post on the ability of bringing Rudy? Man, Matt is a smart man I will say.

    Did it actually follow this "blueprint" Matt was going by too?

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    I'm still not sure what I think of you bringing Rudy Gay to Toronto...
    Rudy was always a part of the plan with #tradeBargnani being, you know, motivated? Yeah, motivated, I'll leave it at that. Now that he is here I see what drove Memphis fans nuts.... but I also see him with an opportunity he did not have the last few years in Memphis with the emergence of Gasol and arrival of Z-Bo.

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    Yeah, wasn't that Matt with the whole entire website large post on the ability of bringing Rudy? Man, Matt is a smart man I will say.

    Did it actually follow this "blueprint" Matt was going by too?
    That was me. Most of the reasons for it happening came true... just with a different ownership group. Also what it took to bring him was significantly lower. Regardless of what you think of Colangelo, he deserves credit for patience in acquiring Gay. Last year leading up to draft rumour was Calderon, one or both of ED/DD, and #8; of course deal ended up being Calderon, ED, and 2nd rd pick. I don't think Calderon was ever going to return to Toronto therefore Gay was really acquired for ED, 2nd rd pick, and cap space.

    And I don't think I'm smart - that ties in to SoftEuro's comment and my "blueprint" was centered on #tradeBargnani.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Rudy was always a part of the plan with #tradeBargnani being, you know, motivated? Yeah, motivated, I'll leave it at that. Now that he is here I see what drove Memphis fans nuts.... but I also see him with an opportunity he did not have the last few years in Memphis with the emergence of Gasol and arrival of Z-Bo.



    That was me. Most of the reasons for it happening came true... just with a different ownership group. Also what it took to bring him was significantly lower. Regardless of what you think of Colangelo, he deserves credit for patience in acquiring Gay. Last year leading up to draft rumour was Calderon, one or both of ED/DD, and #8; of course deal ended up being Calderon, ED, and 2nd rd pick. I don't think Calderon was ever going to return to Toronto therefore Gay was really acquired for ED, 2nd rd pick, and cap space.

    And I don't think I'm smart - that ties in to SoftEuro's comment and my "blueprint" was centered on #tradeBargnani.
    Yeah, definitely deserves the credit for that trade. Ability to keep both the 8th pick (eventually Ross) and DeRozan is terrific asset management, but, to be honest, swapping Ross in for Davis might have been better for the long term, looking sorely at the core.

    The Raptors wouldn't be so weak on the front-court, and there wouldn't be such a log jam of wings.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Yeah, definitely deserves the credit for that trade. Ability to keep both the 8th pick (eventually Ross) and DeRozan is terrific asset management, but, to be honest, swapping Ross in for Davis might have been better for the long term, looking sorely at the core.

    The Raptors wouldn't be so weak on the front-court, and there wouldn't be such a log jam of wings.
    Ed/tr is surely to be debated for some time.

    I think you need to see who comes in next to make a final decision.

    Also Ed was due for an extension at the same time the raps have no pg under contract.

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    Ed/tr is surely to be debated for some time.

    I think you need to see who comes in next to make a final decision.

    Also Ed was due for an extension at the same time the raps have no pg under contract.
    Very true, like I've said and written about before, not a deal that you can fully evaluate for awhile.

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    Was a deal with Ross instead of Davis on the table?

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    Quote Bouncepass wrote: View Post
    You really think that deep down everyone in that organization thinks that they have a better chance in the playoffs with Prince than with Gay? It was a money trade that they had to make. It wasn't a basketball trade. BC used his cap space to nab Gay. He is overpaid, but what's the point of having cap space if you can't sign the top players. Going after someone in free agency almost always results in overpaying for a player anyway.
    Grizz went 27-10 post-Gay trade. If I'm part of that organization, I'm definitely in the mindset that we're better without him.
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Mourning refused to play here, so I don't think he can be included on this type of list.
    Mourning was traded to the Toronto Raptors on December 17, 2004. Mourning never reported to the Raptors and was bought out of his contract, at a remaining 9 million dollars, on February 11, 2005. Raptors team officials later said that he did not meet the medical conditions to play for the team.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    Was a deal with Ross instead of Davis on the table?
    Tweets and speculation that Memphis was originally interested in Ross. BC had labelled otherwise, calling him "untouchable."

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    Quote Marz wrote: View Post
    I fixed it for you.
    I agree with Marz about Igoudala, even though he was never a Rap. Bosh, Carter, Iggy could've been a nice core and who knows what would've happened back then. The East was pretty weak for a while, and that was in the middle of the Detroit dominance. I hate the "what-if" scenarios, but this is one that really changed the direction of the franchise IMO. The Hoffa selection was just atrocious, and while we made the Playoffs twice with Bosh, the talent around him was just not enough to get it done.

    Rob Babcock for the Loss, assist goes to VC for the public demand.

    And I really liked The Red Rocket and wanna see him back here at some point, even as a coach...
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    Quote omgsomuchpotential wrote: View Post
    Mourning was traded to the Toronto Raptors on December 17, 2004. Mourning never reported to the Raptors and was bought out of his contract, at a remaining 9 million dollars, on February 11, 2005. Raptors team officials later said that he did not meet the medical conditions to play for the team.
    I don't care what Raptors team officials said, Mourning refused to play here and there were a number of sources that I'm not going to bother looking up. Basically, Rob Babcock fucked up. Big. And then proceeded to buy out 'Zo so that he could win a championship with the Miami Heat that season.

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    As I sit here watching the Bulls play Brooklyn a thought occurred to me. Humphries used to play for the Raptors, so did Reggie Evans...and I as examined the other team I saw Bellinelli flying around like a mad man. Which got me thinking about Jarrett Jack playing in Golden State, Billups in LA, Ed Davis and Jerryd Bayless in Memphis, Bonner in San Antonio. These guys are all contributing in key roles for their current teams. These guys are all playing in the playoffs. PJ Carlesimo is coaching a playoff team.

    So the question is... Who do you wish was still a Raptor? Who should we have given more of an opportunity to?

    This shows me that BC is not inept at finding talented players that can contribute to a playoff team. It just so happens that by the time they contribute it isn't for the Raptors.
    I often think the same thing, and one day, we will all be commenting on the success that current Raptors are having on other teams. I agree, it's not that BC can't find talent, butI think it's that this organization can't get the most of out of the talent when it gets it. We so often put players in roles that don't fit their skill sets/personalities, or expect them to contribute in ways that they can't. Or, we have an assortment of players that just don't work together well. We are doing it right now, and any number of players on the current roster could be traded into more suitable roles on other teams and we would be left scratching our heads as to how those players managed such magnificent transformations. But the reality is they didn't make a transformation, they were just put in a more appropriate role that allowed them to flourish moreso than in TO. Granted, many of the players listed did have success here, but I would argue that they achieved more after they left TO and acquired a more appropriate role.

    This organzation really sucks at integrating talent into a competitive basketball product. If Bargs gets traded this offseason, and performs better for his new team, would anyone be surprised? And who would be to blame for his play as a Raptor? Lowry...same boat! Demar...he would be great for a team that didn't expect him to be an all-around all-star type talent. I could definitely see Demar getting traded and this type of situation occuring, and the fans left wondering why he didn't shoot as well in TO.

    In any event, I'd take back Bonner and Davis as I think those guys are versatile and coachable and could find a role and a way to contribute positively on just about any team, even the Raptors.

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    Not all are doing better; many are playing in very minimal roles and some get only a bit more time because of injuries.

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    Hibbert. :-D
    P.J. Carlesimo

    More seriously, and recently, Reggie Evans (although we wouldn't have drafted Acy, which would be sad. I love him.) The Raps never gave Evans a fair chance. He is an elite rebounder and solid enough all around. The Nets use him as a starter; enough said.

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