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Thread: Mackenzie on Raptors: DeRozan's losing battle

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    out of necessity he started then sat on the bench cause hes garbage and a liability. I guess you can blame his #s and sucking on Melo though,
    No he sat on the bench because his elbow started acting up. Like i said, his elbow problems dated back to his rookie season in NY. That is why his numbers dropped off. Some of you don't seem to understand what is going on. Fields is physically unable to shoot properly, you think he's clawing his hand up on purpose bricking open shots?

    It seems that if a player can't score he's automatically deemed "garbage" in your eyes. That is just simply ridiculous, if DeRozan had a nerve problem in his right elbow i guarantee you that he would be more of a liability than fields. Would you be calling him garbage too then? take off the homer shades for once
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    No he sat on the bench because his elbow started acting up. Like i said, his elbow problems dated back to his rookie season in NY. That is why his numbers dropped off. Some of you don't seem to understand what is going on. Fields is physically unable to shoot properly, you think he's clawing his hand up on purpose bricking open shots?

    It seems that if a player can't score he's automatically deemed "garbage" in your eyes. That is just simply ridiculous, if DeRozan had a nerve problem in his right elbow i guarantee you that he would be more of a liability than fields. Would you be calling him garbage too then? take off the homer shades for once
    NEVER.

    when fields got his elbow issue is debatable nobody really knows when but hes only played good for 30 games in his career...so I guess anytime after that.

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    but hes only played good for 30 games in his career...so I guess anytime after that.
    Just curious: which 30 games?

    Seems to me he had a stellar rookie year, followed by a decent 2nd year (for a guy who was drafted 39th (behind Andy Rautins) and wasn't expected to crack New York's lineup. At some point in year 2 and definitely by year 3, the elbow issue became an obvious problem.

    IF -- a big if, admittedly -- he returns to his level of play from his senior year of college and rookie year in the NBA, Fields will provide excellent value in the starting lineup or off the bench, and bring things few others on the current roster can bring.
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    the begining of his sophmore season he played well for 30 games then he started to slump hard. Im guessing thats when the (injury?) happened. It was shortened season so his stats are still admirable. Im just curious if this happened why didnt the NY doctors look into his issues you dont have a player playing well shooting 49% and 39% from 3 and not look into it....

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    the begining of his sophmore season he played well for 30 games then he started to slump hard. Im guessing thats when the (injury?) happened. It was shortened season so his stats are still admirable. Im just curious if this happened why didnt the NY doctors look into his issues you dont have a player playing well shooting 49% and 39% from 3 and not look into it....
    They don't exactly have the best medical staff
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    They don't exactly have the best medical staff
    Whether its the medical staff's fault or not, someone in New York was largely incompetent..
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    Whether its the medical staff's fault or not, someone in New York was largely incompetent..
    Or they were starstruck by the Melo deal. fields was just swept under the rug.

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    Whether its the medical staff's fault or not, someone in New York was largely incompetent..
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    Or they were starstruck by the Melo deal. fields was just swept under the rug.
    Largely agreed with both.

    Fields became nothing but a player to them, and didn't seem much attention was brought to Fields.

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    Much respect to DD and his loyalty to toronto. But if we can trade DD for a really good 4 or trade him and then sign a good 4 during FA, I'd do it within a heartbeat. As much as I like him, he's not going to be an all star caliber player. He's a hard worker but he doesn't have that intensity or confidence you see guys like wade have, some people are just born with it. If wade's an unfair comparison, then look at players like Paul George and Kemba. They stay aggressive and attack, whereas we've seen DD become passive and sometimes lost when calls don't go his way or if there's a real physical defender on him.

    We can put Fields in at the 2 spot and we'll be fine. Fields might not be as good offensively (who knows, he might regain the 3pt stroke he had in his rookie year) but he makes up for it in ball IQ, playmaking, rebounding and defense.
    I humbly disagree:
    1. DD wants to be here -that is no BS
    2. He was in top ten in NBA in FTA (any other non-all stars on that list?)
    3. His mid range J improved a lot. What is next -3 pointer we all hope? Better D (That is up to Casey & system as much as players).
    Compare his current stats to Joe Johnson. Who would you rather have next year (and at less than half price).

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    I hate to bring up Barg's in a clearly non-bargs thread, but there's been 3-4 off-seasons where a lot of people (including me) have saida variation of, "If only DD can work on his 3pt shooting, handles, and/or D, and he'll be the right guy as SG."

    The first thing I'll say, is that Derozan seems to be a harder worker than Bargs, and therefore shouldn't be painted with the same brush.

    The second thing I'll say, is that there comes a point where you have to stop talking about improving and start talking about what you've got.

    Everyone has the right to make their own determination on when you stop thinking significant growth is possible, for me, whatever Derozan brings next season will be a good indicator of his ceiling. He may improve slightly afterwards, but essentially, what you see is what you can expect for the next 5 years of his career.

    FWIW, I am totally okay with trading Derozan, because as crazy as it sounds I think that Fields will be a better 3pt shooter next year and the years following. I also like how crafty he is, and his ability to pass and rebound. I think Fields has the other non-scoring skills that are lacking from the starting line up, and do think that as a team we'd be better with Fields starting over derozan.

    Anyway, I do think that Derozan has a little more time to show us more than what he already has, but that time is quickly running out. Next off season, anytime I see poster making the "if only he develops a..." type comments, I'll be arguing that if he had the ability to show us something different, he would have done it by now. I also understand how some people can make that argument now. According to basket-ball reference he started every possible game (82-63-82) these past three seasons (is this right? Has Derozan not missed any games in the last three seasons due to injury?!?!?!?) also averaged no less than 34.8 minutes in those 3 seasons he's logged over 3000 minutes of floor time as a starter, NOT counting any starter floor time as a rookie. That's really remarkable, but it also means that he's had a crazy amount of floor time, which I believe to be the most significant factor in player development.

    At the end of year five I was saying that the barg's we have is the barg's we are going to get, so bit it with derozan.
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    Sadly you are right (in terms of DeRozan's development). If he doesn't improve significantly after this off season then this is basically what we are going to get from him.
    "You never heard of DeMar just google him, the defense don't know what to do wit him"

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    Sadly you are right (in terms of DeRozan's development). If he doesn't improve significantly after this off season then this is basically what we are going to get from him.
    Hey NoProps, someone got to your keyboard and posted some comments under your ID. Gotta remember to log off man.

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    if the guy doesnt develop 3 point range he better be traded before his contract is up or he will decline in his abilities really quick after that

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    I dont think ANYONE expected Demar to go from a non-3pt shooter to a .340% shooter in one offseason (or two or three).

    I actually like the improvement we have seen! If it remains steady, he will have a .300 next year, and a .320 the year after!
    When he peaks, he can be the 3pt threat we want him to be. I still have hope with Demar, and see no reason to become pessimistic with his improvements!
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    I think the important thing is that he has it in his arsenal but doesnt take them like crazy his third season its all he was doing at one point it was awful. Hopefully Ross can get his act together and be that 3 point shooter. DeMar's thing is consistency be that 18+ ppg every single night.

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    Quote rapstor4life wrote: View Post
    i think the important thing is that he has it in his arsenal but doesnt take them like crazy his third season its all he was doing at one point it was awful. Hopefully ross can get his act together and be that 3 point shooter. Demar's thing is consistency be that 18+ ppg every single night.
    punctuation.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Hey NoProps, someone got to your keyboard and posted some comments under your ID. Gotta remember to log off man.
    Haha very funny
    "You never heard of DeMar just google him, the defense don't know what to do wit him"

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Haha very funny


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