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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    If the Raptors can't get Phil(i don't think they can). I'd bring Colangelo back. I mean, he built this team. And i do believe he has a plan, so why not let him finish it??
    Because at the trade deadline he will Trade Bargnani for an over the hill veteran or an overrated youngster and than say they didn't have a training camp togheter and that the talent level on the team is ready to take the next step with a full training camp, depending how the season goes, he might also send half of the blame on casey who he will fire half way thru and say his new coach needs a full training camp.
    You see we can say this every year and BC does make excuses every year. What's so special in the coming year he couldn't do in 7 ? if anything he should be fired for waiting for his contract year to increase the talent level of the team like he likes to say.

    Every year the talent level of the team rises but raptors still underachieve...........BC needs to go.

    I hate him, i m not gonna lie, but i was all for him staying a year so the new GM doesnt blow up the team just yet, but when PHIL M!""/$&?%$ing Jackson is in the running for your job, boy you get desperate, and desperate people do desperate things.

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    Anytime you have a chance to staff your organization with personnel who come from winning backgrounds, you want to do it. However...

    Isaiah Thomas
    Lenny Wilkins
    Hakeem Olajuwon
    Bryan Colangelo
    Dwayne Casey

    ...doesn't always work out.

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    I was always in favour of BC staying at least another year so he gets a chance to finish his rebuilding and was optimistic he would but for the first time if have my doubts. I hope Leiweke gives him a chance.
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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    for me this depends on if phil wants coaches to run his sytem. right now we have no idea what phil as president would do. would he observe for a year and see what he has got? (i doubt he is very familiar with the raptors personel and players) or would he walk in and clean house right away?

    mitchell would have been gone if he didn't win coach of the year when bc showed up and at bcs' first chance, he was gone.
    The NBA is a relatively small community of people. Phil has been around the league a long time. I'm sure he knows most if not, all of the Raptors players and personnel.

    @PhilJackson11: Butt, no one asked happened to Alex? He’s with Toronto btw and sorely missed. A guy that can keep players on the floor.

    That is regarding Alex McKechnie, Raptors director of Sport Science. There are relationships all over this league. No reason to think he would have to 'clean house'.
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    Quote Dino4life wrote: View Post
    Because at the trade deadline he will Trade Bargnani for an over the hill veteran or an overrated youngster and than say they didn't have a training camp togheter and that the talent level on the team is ready to take the next step with a full training camp, depending how the season goes, he might also send half of the blame on casey who he will fire half way thru and say his new coach needs a full training camp.
    You see we can say this every year and BC does make excuses every year. What's so special in the coming year he couldn't do in 7 ? if anything he should be fired for waiting for his contract year to increase the talent level of the team like he likes to say.

    Every year the talent level of the team rises but raptors still underachieve...........BC needs to go.

    I hate him, i m not gonna lie, but i was all for him staying a year so the new GM doesnt blow up the team just yet, but when PHIL M!""/$&?%$ing Jackson is in the running for your job, boy you get desperate, and desperate people do desperate things.
    Don't think that happens. Call me naive, silly, foolish, or just stoopid but I think Leiweke can identify desperation and will not sign off on just any deal.
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    I slept on it and I think in the next couple of months you see:

    - BC and DC fired

    - PJax hired

    - Shaw hired to coach
    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
    Tim Leiweke

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    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Don't think that happens. Call me naive, silly, foolish, or just stoopid but I think Leiweke can identify desperation and will not sign off on just any deal.
    Tim Leiweke is one of the most known world-wide executives, definitely a big deal. I would agree with the fact he definitely knows whatever the hell he is doing. Plus, I like the fact his approach is towards the Raptors right now.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I slept on it and I think in the next couple of months you see:

    - BC and DC fired

    - PJax hired

    - Shaw hired to coach
    Do you really believe the triangle would benefit this team?

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Do you really believe the triangle would benefit this team?
    Any offensive system beyond perennial ISO's would benefit this team..
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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Any offensive system beyond perennial ISO's would benefit this team..
    HA! Touche sir.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    I'm not going to claim I know much of anything about Leiweke, and didn't even know he existed before yesterday (in fact I kept hearing Witwicky, which got me thinking about transformers, which got me thinking about Megan Fox, which got me.... well I'm off topic here)

    But from the what little it is I know I can say:

    - It would a pure guess if I claimed whether he would make changes in regards to Colangelo, but I think this doesn't make a "option pick up and see the season play out" as straightforward as it once was.

    - sounded so much like Colangelo. Classic business world shop talk. I've always disliked it - alot of abstract or vague wording, atleast in the way its used, that means alot or very little all at once. Not necessarily relevant I guess, just makes me cringe.

    - I'd be more impressed with his resume if he grew mid or small market sports franchises into something special rather than one of the two premium markets in the US.

    - definetely taking a wait and see approach with what he does (or doesn't do) with this team and MLSE in general. Is this a 'we want a guy to look after our sports franchises' scenario, with impunity? freedom? on a leash? as a face? Does this open MLSE's wallets a bit further? Is this about bringing relevance to their sports franchises (lets be honest, the Raptors and TFC aside, even for the largest and wealthiest team in a sport - the leafs aren't on the same relevancy scale as the Yankees, Lakers, Knicks, Giants etc. in their respective sports) Or is this more about setting the stage for the NFL in Toronto?


    All said a done, I'm definetely not opposed to some changes at the top of the food chain.
    I agree with all of this, especially the bold. I'm not going to pretend I know much about him either, but I found some very interesting information researching this guy.

    He joined and became president of AEG in 1996, which just so happened to be the year a guy named Shaquille O'Neal signed with the Lakers. Does he have the ability to make these types of moves consistently? Looks as though he became a part of the group at the right time.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I agree with all of this, especially the bold. I'm not going to pretend I know much about him either, but I found some very interesting information researching this guy.

    He joined and became president of AEG in 1996, which just so happened to be the year a guy named Shaquille O'Neal signed with the Lakers. Does he have the ability to make these types of moves consistently? Looks as though he became a part of the group at the right time.
    And then Shaquille left and another championship team built.

    He was a part of winners across multiple sports and built an entertainment empire as well. The guy is more than a flashy suit and bravado. Whereas bc was style over substance Leiweke can just smile and knowingly nod.

    Also his first professional sports job was with the nuggets. He knows the nba.

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    I think the most interesting thing about Leiweke is that he brought Beckham to LA. That is thinking outside the box 10-fold and that is the kind of thing the Raptors need to become relevant.

    In basketball you need a stud to succeed and if Leiweke believes in that approach to success this can only be a good thing.

    I do think he will get rid of Bryan.. He will allow Stefanski to do the day to day GM job in the interim until they can find someone long term. Casey will be back next season since he's got one more year left anyway. I don't think PJ will be here, but they will consider him strongly.

    The fact that there is not a lot of wiggle room (no draft picks, no cap space).. it just makes sense that they remain status quo for one year before making big changes. The only change I can see is dumping Bargnani, and that becomes a lot easier without Bryan in the way as that might become very personal to him.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Do you really believe the triangle would benefit this team?
    Yes.

    Movement is the essence of the offense and can lead to a lot of corner threes which is something I do have confidence dd and gay can hit

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Yes.

    Movement is the essence of the offense and can lead to a lot of corner threes which is something I do have confidence dd and gay can hit
    Ideally you want a PG that's a good spot up shooter and a good low post center that's also good at passing the ball. Lowry doesn't seem to fit that bill (he's a good spot up shooter but would he be happy with that role?)... and will JV improve his passing enough to help facilitate the ball movement?

    However if Phil/Shaw do come on board wouldn't a Gasol trade make a lot of sense?

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Ideally you want a PG that's a good spot up shooter and a good low post center that's also good at passing the ball. Lowry doesn't seem to fit that bill (he's a good spot up shooter but would he be happy with that role?)... and will JV improve his passing enough to help facilitate the ball movement?

    However if Phil/Shaw do come on board wouldn't a Gasol trade make a lot of sense?
    Jv is an intelligent player and he will work with sabonis each summer. I think he can play in any system to be honest.

    If Lowry is not happy with that role, ok, goodbye.

    With or without Jackson I think gasol is a good move.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I slept on it and I think in the next couple of months you see:

    - BC and DC fired

    - PJax hired

    - Shaw hired to coach
    I hope you are right. Matt your opinion has credibility in this forum.....

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    Quote psrs1 wrote: View Post
    I hope you are right. Matt your opinion has credibility in this forum.....
    Thanks but it shouldn't. We are all talking out of our ass here and, as far as I know, no one is directly connected to the raptors - at least I am not.

    But I do appreciate the comment - thank you.

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    He's an 11 time champion, he should have the concept of what it takes to build a winner.

    Move BC into the role of President, let him work with Jackson to ease him into the intricacies of being a GM.

    With Jackson in the role of GM he can advise Casey as head coach, not to affect his record. have him evaluate Casey's performance next season, if he fails, let him walk. Jackson brings in a coach of choice.

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    Quote bounty wrote: View Post
    He's an 11 time champion, he should have the concept of what it takes to build a winner.

    Move BC into the role of President, let him work with Jackson to ease him into the intricacies of being a GM.

    With Jackson in the role of GM he can advise Casey as head coach, not to affect his record. have him evaluate Casey's performance next season, if he fails, let him walk. Jackson brings in a coach of choice.
    I like this idea.
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