his stats are meaningless. if he sucks, he shouldn't get a new contract from anybody... if he has any value, even if it's just as 6 hard fouls, then he should..
gay has nothing to do with that.
what's commendable, is he is still hoping to work next year, and took a massive risk outing himself. the majority of reactions from everyone has been positive, but he had absolutely no way of knowing that. there was absolutely no precedent set for the effect of a gay man coming out while actively seeking employment in professional sports.
personally, i can't reasonably say i'd have been able to predict what the reactions were going to be.. i'm Canadian, not American. I don't exactly know what the social stigma for homosexuals is amongst black american culture. i've never been in a room with a bunch of black americans and one gay guy at the moment that somebody points out that dude is gay.
i have been here. it's largely a "meh... who the fuck cares, as long as he doesn't whip out his dick" moment..
he's a first. a harbinger. he's the butterfly in chaos theory.
a part of me hopes he doesn't get signed. not because of his gayness, but because he's not a very good player.
and he goes on to work in social activism.. community work.. etc
he's unintentionally made himself a symbol for something much bigger than what he intended.. and he can do the world so much more good embracing that role, than as a basketball player
See, to me, the reaction is entirely predictable. My only surprise is that the reaction hasn't been even more fawning. Darren Rovell was tweeting the other day that Collins' agent is now convinced some team will sign him. In fact, I'll go beyond that: I would place a significant wager a team will sign him (or be told to).what's commendable, is he is still hoping to work next year, and took a massive risk outing himself. the majority of reactions from everyone has been positive, but he had absolutely no way of knowing that. there was absolutely no precedent set for the effect of a gay man coming out while actively seeking employment in professional sports.
I wish people would stop with the "how brave it is" stuff. The guy is worth millions, has a zillion dollar education from Stanford, is politically connected to both the Clintons and Kennedys. The guy is as privileged as it gets for a middle class person. If anything, this guarantees him a career after basketball.
Now, what would be really brave is for a pro athlete to take a stance that is unpopular with mainstream media, sports journalists and the intellectual elite - say, a pro life commercial? I bet the media would hail that athlete's bravery for taking a stance on a controversial issue...... oh, wait a minute. Well, Tebow could always come out as gay. Guarantee himslef a roster spot next year.
Collins didn't have a ten year (or so) career because of his production or per. He got his contracts to defend (those dominant big guys like Shaq, Duncan or Howard).
we're not talking about coming out and saying "hey guys, i have something to tell you all.. i like fish. i really like fish. tuna, salmon, halibut, whatever. LOVE IT"
we're talking about something that he's felt the need to keep to himself and hide from the people around him for the majority of his life for fear of the repercussions. money and education don't make that any easier to come out about.
on a global scale, nah.. it's not all that significant in itself. it's one dude, coming out about something that he should never have worried about the public knowing, and the public should never have judged him for anyways. is he a saint? fuck no. but did it take some balls to out himself? sure did.
the significance of him coming out is what comes out of it... awareness, acceptance, tolerance.. the next generation of kids trying to go pro being able to say "ya, i like dudes.. so what?" without it impacting their careers... fostering an environment where a guy can say "hey coach.. i'm gay" and the coach's reaction would be "whatever.. go guard lebron" instead of it being a big deal.. it getting to a point where it's not a big deal anymore would be the biggest deal.
like i said before, collins is the harbinger. he's the first.. he's what comes before the actual event. as an individual moment, this is insignificant... but the ripples it causes is what's important
because this conversation is getting too serious.
i'm a pretty open and honest person to the point of being a revolting dolt... but there are details of my "personal life" that has recently come out to my friends thanks to ladyfriends with big fucking mouths... and while nowhere near as big a deal as saying you're gay, it was pretty damn embarassing..
luckily, its ME... and most people were just like "oh well there's another weird thing about him" and jokes getting cracked at my expense, which i have no problem with... but it's weird feeling, that i can only describe as being a 13 year old girl and finding out your parents read your diary.. that kind of exposure bites
Opinions on Collins being with a woman for eight years, going as far as getting engaged to her before suddenly breaking it off for reasons she thought were bullshit at the time?
the coles notes version: she was absolutely shocked when he told her, and had no idea when they were together... but supports him
so my opinion is moot. the person who was most effected by him "trying" to be straight in vain doesn't hold a grudge.. so not really worth opining on
A rather incomplete summary from you, I think.
Direct quote from Carolyn Moos: "It's very emotional for me as a woman to have invested [eight] years in my dream to have a husband, soul mate, and best friend in him. So this is all hard to understand."
Ya your direct quote is incomplete too.. its a couple seconds of a much bigger interview. She had already more too say. . And came off as supportive of collins despite the interviewer asking leading questions
EDIT: She came off great in the interview and I'm glad for her that she's been able to forgive him and support him and, ostensibly, try hard to move on with her life. Much kudos to her.
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