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WJF wrote: View Post[/B]
I am intrigued with Livingston, he turns 28 in September, he should have a few years left in the tank, even with his past injury. My concern is with his complete lack of an outside game how will he blend with a roster of non-shooters? What I do like is that he brings a very different look as the back-up and has had to really learn how to play an mental game after losing some of his pep.
It's definitely a shame that he doesn't have that shot, but like you say, his game has become much more mental, and on both ends of the court. This is a good quality for a backup. He also plays with good energy defensively, and can create nightmares for most PGs in the league. The thing about shooting backups is they can often shoot you out of a game. Like Bayless, or Lucas..just because I'm too lazy to think of other examples.
Do you take the guy who can hit a shot at a higher % or the guy who'll always get your team the higher % shot? So again, it's more a problem that Toronto doesn't already have better shooters. Our backup PG, who'll play probably 15-20 minutes at most per game, could help our shooting, but would not be a major difference maker overall in that respect. We're going to need that from our major minute eaters. I also like the option of keeping a shooting 3rd stringer like Lucas around anyway, because I also think it's damn near impossible to find a 3rd stringer with good PG skills, so having a shooter is fine.
*Also, there are obviously better offensive PGs who can shoot the ball and pass it. I'm not saying it's gotta be one or the other. I just don't see some of the better FA options landing in Toronto. Maybe they manage to snatch someone in a trade, like Ridnour, but I still don't see that specific scenario as very likely.Last edited by white men can't jump; Thu May 2, 2013, 01:08 PM.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostNo offense....But have you lost your mind? You want T-Mac trying to guard guys like Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Wall, etc....??
This is a horrible idea. If we're going to bring back a physically over-the hill tall distributor, why not just offer Magic a contract? I'm sure he can pass and hit the open jumper still...probably much better than T-Mac.
Just bolded that one part to emphasize what I mean...T-Mac has no more career to speak of. He's done. Finished. Washed up. Useless by NBA standards. To say he's a shadow of his former self would be too kind. And it's not like he's a solid veteran. T-Mac has pretty much never been the best leader/character guy for his whole career. He doesn't have intangibles and wisdom to spread to his younger teammates.
Sorry if I seem agitated and antagonistic, but seriously, this is maybe the worst idea I've read on these forums (that isn't a tenforthewin thread). Wouldn't matter if he's the back-up or 3rd string PG, or the 15th man on the roster....Pass on T-Mac. Every. Time.
*The thing I really don't get is why not target Shaun Livingston as a tall PG? Almost as tall as Tmac. Actually a PG. Actually starting to blossom as opposed to being totally spent and washed up.
Back up pg. not starter. But I agree, i'm sure there are better options available.Welp, that sucked.
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Axel wrote: View PostAlso, if he is useless by NBA standards then why did he just log more play-off minutes this week for the Spurs than the entire Raptors roster? He's 33, which isn't ancient for back-ups.Welp, that sucked.
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WJF wrote: View PostI am intrigued with Livingston, he turns 28 in September, he should have a few years left in the tank, even with his past injury. My concern is with his complete lack of an outside game how will he blend with a roster of non-shooters? What I do like is that he brings a very different look as the back-up and has had to really learn how to play an mental game after losing some of his pep.
I am guessing he is the second resign priority after Wayne Ellington. Maybe The Son of Bill is third, and Marreese Speights if he is willing to sign for far less than he thinks he is worth.
I know a few people mentioned Marreese Speights on these boards a few times but I do not want to see him as a Raptor. Lazy ass defender, loves shooting the long 2 and will not pass an opportunity to do so.
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c_bcm wrote: View PostBack up pg. not starter. But I agree, i'm sure there are better options available.
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostShaun Livingston played well in Cleveland and I am sure they will try to resign him if the price is reasonable. He is good at posting up smaller guards and has good court vision, especially from the top of the key (he threaded the needle a number of times finding cutters from that position). Cannot shoot the 3, at all. I hope he is back with Cleveland next season because I do not want to see another Donald Sloan type PG out there! You guys complain about JL3 but you have yet to see how awful a Donald Sloan can be.
I am guessing he is the second resign priority after Wayne Ellington. Maybe The Son of Bill is third, and Marreese Speights if he is willing to sign for far less than he thinks he is worth.
I know a few people mentioned Marreese Speights on these boards a few times but I do not want to see him as a Raptor. Lazy ass defender, loves shooting the long 2 and will not pass an opportunity to do so.
I think the thing about Speights is that he has a smaller contract than Bargs, which expires next summer. If you're going to get a lazy defender taking long 2s, better to pay him 4.5 million than 10+, and for one less season. Admittedly, the money is the only reason the trade would be at all ok. I don't really want this to happen.
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thead wrote: View PostChauncey Billups
thead wrote: View Postthread closed
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I'm still on the boat for Luke Ridnour. I really do believe this team needs a pass-first backup. With Lowry's aggressive style of play, and obviously an uptempo guard, getting a slower, change of pace in Ridnour, or a similar guard would be a good addition.
I'm not into having Lucas the primary backup.Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.
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The "have you lost your mind" comment is the most accurate posted in response to the TMac suggestion. We'd be just as well getting Roy Halladay as the backup PG.
I think the #1 thing we need to add with any perimeter player is shooting. We're not going to get a PG that can gaurd is position 1 on 1 with the $ we have available. We need to improve our outside shooting and hope we can coach the guy to at least send opposing PGs towards the help D. Second most important is ball handling because Lowry's our only trustworthy handler right now (gulp!).
I was joking when I suggesting Jose and Mike James, but they both fit the bill. Jose is the best player we could hope for, but I'm skeptical he'd come back and we probably can't afford him. James is washed up but can still shoot/space the floor in very limited minutes. JL3 surprised me with his shooting ability at some points this year, but he's more of a 3rd stringer. Boobie Gibson definitely has range. Chauncy and DFish should be considered because they can shoot well and would add the sorely needed vet presence on this team.
To sum it all up... LOL @ TMac & we're not looking at anybody much better than Bassy anyways.
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