here are my 2 big issues summed up....
-I just can't see OKC preferring to trade Lamb over Jones. And I don't understand why a Raptors fan would want him. He does not look like a better prospect than Ross.*Edit: And if he is, why wouldn't OKC keep him now that Martin expires and they have that nice open spot at backup SG. I obviously have no inside information, but how will they develop Jones? He's a forward. Durant eats up the SF minutes. Ibaka/Collison eat up most of the PF minutes. Collison is a great fit for them as a steady, veteran glue-guy big, and on a very good contract.
-I also don't know why OKC would want DeMar in any deal. Floor spacing is OKC's biggest issue on offense because their bigs can't stretch out too far and so their SG has to be able to knock down long-range shots. Bargnani, in theory, is exactly the type of player they need. Whether they believe they can get what they need from him is, of course, a whole different story. They desperately need a stretch 4, and ideally one who can guard both big positions one-on-one in the post.
I feel like the deal with DeMar and Lamb is worse for both teams. Bargnani for Perkins/Jones is good for both teams. Jones won't get minutes for a while in OKC. If you watched them play enough this year, it's obvious Perkins just doesn't fit there anymore. If they think they can get what they need out of Bargs, they get 2 years of a stretch PF/C who is fairly young and could be a great fit with their current core, and shed 2 players who don't really fit with what they're doing now.
Everything hinges on their opinion of Bargs. The obvious first thought is "OKC is too well run for that". But Bargs makes only slightly more than Perk over the same period. My second thought was then "OKC IS really well run though". IT takes that type of organization to gamble on a talented player. I mean everyone thought Memphis was crazy for going after Randolph, but it worked out better than anyone thought it possibly could. IF they can get 80% of that 13-game Bargs most nights, as the 3rd/4th option and clearly a secondary player on the team, that could fit in very nicely in OKC, even if his rebounding stays low.
Last edited by white men can't jump; Wed Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:50 AM.
DeMar would be great for OKC Westbrook and durant already provide the spacing they need & DeMar can (hopefully) hit set ones I could see them jumping on him to shed Perkins contract for a player they arent using at all. Lamb has formed a bond with Durant though they work out religiously together.
DeMar is a midrange jump shooter and slasher he would greatly help OKC especially with the attention Durant and Westbrook draw he would have a field day playing beside them and getting buckets.
Raps get Perkins and Lamb along with #12 draft Shroeder/Larkin get a 2nd round pick draft Kabongo so if Lowry doesnt pan out we have the PG situation taken care of and can move Lowry good player expiring deal for something Raps need, if Raps plan on keeping Lowry in tandem with Gay then draft Olynyk or Bullock with Kabongo in 2nd.
OKC is smart, or at least they try to be. They had no room for Lamb on a team trying to win a ring, that already had 2 very capable SGs in Sefolosha and Martin.
My gut tells me that they move Lamb into the Harden-type backup SG role this season. If they can start him at 15 mpg and get him to 25 mpg by the playoffs, that would be ideal, as they still have Sefolosha.
Again, this is why I think Bargs makes sense. Why go after a SG when you have one to develop? Adding a re-energized Bargnani (who has talked about wanting to be on a winning team more than anything while being injured/shopped), and a more developed Lamb would be a good summer, and better deal to address holes than adding DeMar/Gray, IMO.
The Bargnani for Perkings & player and/or 1st round pick would be a good deal for both teams, I think.
Second of all, did you watch OKC play at all this year? The easiest way to stop them is to clog the paint, try and force Durant to become a jump shooter in isos, and try to make Westbrook drive into crowds. They have nobody to pull bigs away. Collison and IBaka have both constantly worked on their shot, but a real big who can stretch out to the 3 pt line would do wonders for them. They really need that space opened up. Adding DeMar isn't going to pull guys away from the paint. They'll still be facing all the same problems. Problems they had this year with Martin, an excellent 3 pt shooter. They don't need a player who thrives as a ball-stopping midrange SG. It makes no sense.
Edit: Realized this may have sounded pretty aggressive. Wasnt' meant to be, or be personal, so sorry if it came off that way. Seriously though, not sure I can think of a team where DeMar is a worse fit than OKC.
Last edited by white men can't jump; Wed Jun 12th, 2013 at 12:11 PM.
Its cool Westbrook had a bad year hes usually a better shooter than he was this year Memphis beat them with overall lack of Bigs from OKC that essentially run 2 PFs up front. I dont think DeRozan would be a bad fit there hes better for them than Martin, good point on keeping Lamb though I mean they did trade Harden for the kid.
Career FG% .432
This season .438
Career 3 pt .302
This season .323
This was a fairly good shooting season for Westbrook. Bottom line, he's a fairly mediocre shooter from long range. It is not his strength, and is not something you want him doing a lot. You want him abusing his man one-on-one and getting into the heart of the D, ideally a spread out D left scrambling to cover the exposed hole. Having a stretch big makes this easier, and gives Westbrook another legit shooter out there to be a passing option.
*Westbrook doesn't need to be a strong 3 pt shooter. He needs to become a bit better distributor and basically be something like a taller Isiah Thomas. This is the guy Westbrook reminds me of the most when he's at his best.
Last edited by white men can't jump; Wed Jun 12th, 2013 at 12:58 PM.
PG: Lowry/*12th pick in draft - Schroeder, Larkin, MCW.*
SG: Ross/Lamb/*12th pick in draft - Oladipo, Muhammad, Caldwell-Pope, McCollum, etc.*
PF: To be addressed via trade/Johnson/Acy
For OKC, they get rid of Perkins who quite frankly has been absolutely garbage for them - no longer a fit - and bring in Aaron Gray who fits that rebound, banger style they can either start, or come off the bench. Gray in my honest opinion is an upgrade considering he's miles a better offensive player than Perkins (again, still not saying much though). DeMar DeRozan than can fill the starting shooting guard, or come off the bench with Kevin Martin, assuming he resigns.
PG: Westbrook, Jackson
Did OKC hire David Khan as a GM when I wasn't looking? If not, I want some of whatever drugs you're taking.
Karl with insights in to his working relationship with Ujiri:
Q: Can you describe your relationship with the front office?
A: "What I've loved about being here is with (the different front office regimes) is I felt we were all equal. This year, after the trade deadline, all of a sudden, I felt like Masai (Ujiri, the general manager) and Josh were over here, and I didn't feel very equal."
Q: What does "feel equal" mean?
A: "In the past, Stan (Kroenke, the team owner) would listen to all of us. I know I can be fired and the voices behind closed doors can be against me. But this year, I just felt that at the end, for a team that had so much success, unity and karma, I felt that Masai and Josh drifted into a direction that was difficult to understand."
Q: What's an example of that?
A: "It's hard to say. It's just communication, them getting mad about what I said in the paper more often than makes sense. Snippy texts about things. The whole thing it comes down to — you've got a great coaching staff, a coach who loves coaching the team, a city that loves the team." (Karl gently pounds the table.)
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"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Basketball has clear winners every night --except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.
So basically Ujiri and Kroenke wanted to win championships but Karl was happy with just letting the good times roll.
great regular seasons become hollow if you lose in the first round year after year
I hear ya but we have been so mesmerized by our record here I am unfamiliar with that feeling and get confused by such events
The Nets have proven how easy it is to make the playoffs. Just assemble a roster of highly paid talent that are near all-star caliber.. However you are screwed with your flexibility going forwards and are stuck with that highly paid core. What happens if one of your main guys gets injured? Lopez for example has had some major injury issues in the past.
I would hate to be a Nets fan. In my opinion they won't be contending for a championship. They will have to wait 3-4 years until their core either retires or become expiring contracts so they can try again.
I think Denver is finally tired of having a team that fails to actually succeed in the playoffs. Karl is not a great playoff coach so parting ways there makes sense. And the fact that Karl made some of how he feels public make me feel better that we got MU managing our team.
Last edited by planetmars; Fri Jun 14th, 2013 at 01:18 PM.
I was referring to the 57 wins. Dont you like 57 wins? Seeing as we couldnt come close to smelling such lofty heights I'll take the 57 and go with the coach that took me there. One must also remember that Karl for most of his career coached in the western conference...a tougher conference and one which since 2000 has won 9 championships. This Denver team is one of the youngest in the league and lost arguably their best offensive player (Gallinari) and had a hobbled Faried (their best defensive). They also traded their centre Nene mid year who provided decent rim defence. This was not all on Karl I believe. Previously he had Melo as the main cog who played no defense and has an inflated view of himself. A hof vet coach like Karl needs some say in the makeup of his team. It seems they took this away from him. Thats the real problem.
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