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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    ...If Massai gets this job he will just be walking into another perfect situation. ...
    finally, someone with a realistic evaluation of the Raptors current situation.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    If Massai gets this job he will just be walking into another perfect situation. With an already assembled playoff team.
    Didn't Colangelo walk into a perfect situation? Which star-candidate would walk into a bad situation? Also, the bench needs a lot of work, and the only assets here to improve it without creating a hole by trading a starter are: Bargnani, Ross, Kleiza, Gray, Lucas and Fields. For Bargnani you'll be lucky to get more than small pieces or damaged goods at this point. I assume you'd want to keep Ross-- maybe you could trade a draft pick or player on a rookie contract for him. Kleiza... Gray... Lucas-- who doesn't want a point guard who can only drive with one hand? Fields is another I assume they would want to keep-- you could probably get a solid bench player for him, but he already is a solid bench player.

    So a bench with a kid with potential, one solid bench player, a third pg with one hand, an inconsistent enigma, a slow but professional center, and Kleiza is ready to reach the playoffs? I think the starting lineup-- though the pieces may not fit well -- is borderline playoff caliber, but that bench is hurting.

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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    It would be morally wrong of Ujiri to leave Denver. Money is the only thing Raps. can dangle but I doubt Ujri would fall for it.

    Besides it may be a little premature to talk about this.
    Please elaborate on how coming to Toronto violates morals.

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Please elaborate on how coming to Toronto violates morals.
    Doing anything that involves you making more money obviously violates moral codes, or aren't you a socialist?

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    Quote Apollo wrote: View Post
    Please elaborate on how coming to Toronto violates morals.
    It is morally correct to be loyal and grateful to the people who made success possible by believing in you and giving you an opportunity. In this case Ujiri could show his loyalty and gratitude by re-signing there. If Toronto swayed him away by offering him an unmatchable salary, Ujiri would be leaving Denver for one reason and one reason only. Money. If money is greater than gratitude, it's Immoral.

    I could be wrong but in his brief time here, Ujiri struck me as a man of good morals and so I doubt he'll leave Denver.
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    Quote hotfuzz wrote: View Post
    We had a couple of playoff appearances in 2006-08. How did that work out for our "reputation"?
    i mean like 5 straight years of playoffs. Honestly we need something to cheer about
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    I think Denvers success had more to do with George Carl than Ujiri. But i wouldn't be against bringing him here
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    I think Denvers success had more to do with George Carl than Ujiri. But i wouldn't be against bringing him here
    Ujiri put that entire roster together. How can you not give him the credit? He turned Melo into Gallianri, Chandler, Felton, Koufos, Mozgov, and a 2014 1st round pick. He then turned Felton into Andre Miller. He also turned Aaran Afflalo and that 2014 1st round pick into Andre Igoudala. They also have the right to switch 1st round picks with the Knicks in 2016. In addition, he drafted great late round vale nabbing Farried and Fournier. The Nene for McGee swap was a nice way to make the team younger while shedding salary. Name another GM that has been that impressive the past 3 years.

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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    It is morally correct to be loyal and grateful to the people who made success possible by believing in you and giving you an opportunity. In this case Ujiri could show his loyalty and gratitude by re-signing there. If Toronto swayed him away by offering him an unmatchable salary, Ujiri would be leaving Denver for one reason and one reason only. Money. If money is greater than gratitude, it's Immoral.

    I could be wrong but in his brief time here, Ujiri struck me as a man of good morals and so I doubt he'll leave Denver.
    I think you could make just a good of an argument that Toronto is the team that "made success possible by believing in you and giving you an opportunity". Toronto is the one who gave him his first high profile executive experience, including the assistant GM role, which is the natural stepping stone to GM. Without Toronto hiring him as Assistant GM he most likely doesn't get offered that Denver job.

    Just playing devil's advocate here. I don't think Ujiri looks disloyal by coming back to Toronto. If he left for any other team he might look disloyal though, but Toronto is a big reason he is Executive of the Year this year.

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    What makes you think he can build any team into a winner? Are you advocating keeping Colangelo just so other teams can't hire him?

    Colangelo has run his course in Toronto, and it was a rather disappointing run. All of the replacements mentioned would be big upgrades over BC, so I don't see why you're so hesitant to let him go.
    I'm just going by what you said "let him have his career resurgence somewhere else."

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Ujiri put that entire roster together. How can you not give him the credit? He turned Melo into Gallianri, Chandler, Felton, Koufos, Mozgov, and a 2014 1st round pick. He then turned Felton into Andre Miller. He also turned Aaran Afflalo and that 2014 1st round pick into Andre Igoudala. They also have the right to switch 1st round picks with the Knicks in 2016. In addition, he drafted great late round vale nabbing Farried and Fournier. The Nene for McGee swap was a nice way to make the team younger while shedding salary. Name another GM that has been that impressive the past 3 years.
    Why has it got to be the past 3 years. Are you afraid your points will be,for a lack of a better word, circumstantial if it's any 3 years?

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    I think Denvers success had more to do with George Carl than Ujiri. But i wouldn't be against bringing him here
    Ujiri put roster together cmon. George Carl did great job too, until playoffs, where he let andre be the king and defend Curry

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    I think you could make just a good of an argument that Toronto is the team that "made success possible by believing in you and giving you an opportunity". Toronto is the one who gave him his first high profile executive experience, including the assistant GM role, which is the natural stepping stone to GM. Without Toronto hiring him as Assistant GM he most likely doesn't get offered that Denver job.

    Just playing devil's advocate here. I don't think Ujiri looks disloyal by coming back to Toronto. If he left for any other team he might look disloyal though, but Toronto is a big reason he is Executive of the Year this year.

    Toronto must be credited for giving him the opportunity to be Asst. GM and THAT'S ALL. It(Toronto) does not deserve as much credit as Denver deserves 'cause the TRUTH is that it was Denver that hired him as GM, not Toronto. It's because of his Denver success that he's being sought by Toronto not his earlier stint here.

    Hypothetically speaking, if he was never hired by Denver, rather remained here as Asst GM, MOST PROBABLY he wouldn't have been the Top candidate to be the new GM.

    If he leaves Denver, he's Disloyal. That is the plain truth. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes it OK. By the way, Paul Jones who I just heard on Radio, thinks it's possibly going to happen.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    Toronto must be credited for giving him the opportunity to be Asst. GM and THAT'S ALL. It(Toronto) does not deserve as much credit as Denver deserves 'cause the TRUTH is that it was Denver that hired him as GM, not Toronto. It's because of his Denver success that he's being sought by Toronto not his earlier stint here.

    Hypothetically speaking, if he was never hired by Denver, rather remained here as Asst GM, MOST PROBABLY he wouldn't have been the Top candidate to be the new GM.

    If he leaves Denver, he's Disloyal. That is the plain truth. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes it OK. By the way, Paul Jones who I just heard on Radio, thinks it's possibly going to happen.
    It's also a business, which I think you're forgetting. If Toronto and Denver offer him the same deal and he picks Toronto then that would be disloyal, but if Toronto offers him a better deal I don't think he could be faulted for taking it. It's like any job. Sure, your first job gives you lots of training and experience, but if they're unwilling to pay you as much an another employer is, then you have every right to leave that job for the higher paying one. If Ujiri leaves Denver it's not like he screwed them, he built them into one of the real contenders in the West. It was a mutually beneficial relationship up to this point.

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    Quote LBF wrote: View Post
    Why has it got to be the past 3 years. Are you afraid your points will be,for a lack of a better word, circumstantial if it's any 3 years?
    Are you serious? It has to be the past 3 years because Ujiri has only been a GM for the past 3 years. Prior to that he worked for the Raptors. Do you even know who we're talking about?

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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Are you serious? It has to be the past 3 years because Ujiri has only been a GM for the past 3 years. Prior to that he worked for the Raptors. Do you even know who we're talking about?
    What are you talking about bro? You specifically stated:
    Name another GM that has been that impressive the past 3 years.
    How does that have anything to do with him being a GM or not?
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    you're basically asking us to find someone better. But you're reducing it to three years so you won't be wrong, Bravo
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    you're basically asking us to find someone better. But you're reducing it to three years so you won't be wrong, Bravo
    Compare him to whoever you want from whenever you want. He's done a good job as a GM in the 3 years he's been a GM. He's only been a GM the past 3 years, that's why I said "the past 3 years." He's elite among current NBA GM's. I don't think there are many candidates more desirable right now than Ujiri, and none that are as attainable (he's not under contract). Are you against Toronto targeting Ujiri for the new GM? I'm confused as to what you're so upset about.

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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    Toronto must be credited for giving him the opportunity to be Asst. GM and THAT'S ALL. It(Toronto) does not deserve as much credit as Denver deserves 'cause the TRUTH is that it was Denver that hired him as GM, not Toronto. It's because of his Denver success that he's being sought by Toronto not his earlier stint here.

    Hypothetically speaking, if he was never hired by Denver, rather remained here as Asst GM, MOST PROBABLY he wouldn't have been the Top candidate to be the new GM.

    If he leaves Denver, he's Disloyal. That is the plain truth. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes it OK. By the way, Paul Jones who I just heard on Radio, thinks it's possibly going to happen.
    Not sure leaving Denver is the issue of loyalty. I think the issue might be taking over for the person who gave you a chance to begin with..... Or not. I could argue both ways for and against Denver and Colangelo.

    There is also the possibility of ujiri's agent planting the seed for this story to grow to gain leverage with Denver. Woj is typically is the power agents mouthpiece in the media and he is rewarded with all the scoops and leads.
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    Quote Primer wrote: View Post
    Compare him to whoever you want from whenever you want. He's done a good job as a GM in the 3 years he's been a GM. He's only been a GM the past 3 years, that's why I said "the past 3 years." He's elite among current NBA GM's. I don't think there are many candidates more desirable right now than Ujiri, and none that are as attainable (he's not under contract). Are you against Toronto targeting Ujiri for the new GM? I'm confused as to what you're so upset about.
    The confusion here was caused by your question "Name a GM who has done a better job in the last 3 years?". I can see your honesty but I hope you understand why people don't agree with the fairness of the question.

    Ujiri has done a better job in the last 3 years because he's been a GM for only 3 years. Hypothetically, lets say we're in 2016 and Ujiri has had losing seasons between 2013 and 2016. What would you do then? Pick the best GM of the 3 years preceding 2016? What if none of the available GM's have winning records in the 3 years preceding 2016?

    The question should be "Name an available GM who has a better record than Ujiri?".
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