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Thread: Masai Ujiri Hired As Raptors GM (post #780)

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    Regardless of who gets hired as the next GM, I'm not the least bit concerned that he will continue on in BC's shadow. Given some of the comments made by Leiweke recently (interesting article on TSN: http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=423779), I think part of the hiring process will include a detailed analysis/discussion about the current Raptors roster, to satisfy Leiweke that the immediate future will be anything but maintaining the status quo.

    Some quotes that stood out:

    Tim Leiweke said the decision to relieve Colangelo of his basketball decisions, but retain him as team president was arrived at in large part because the two men had "a disagreement on the current status of the organization and this roster."
    "I guess I don't think that we're 'right there,'" Leiweke said. "I don't think we're a piece away. I think we have work to do.
    Leiweke also made it a point to mention that a "fresh face, with a fresh view of the world, with a fresh view of this roster, with a fresh view of what we need to do to be competitive long term" was something he felt the team was in need of.
    "We need someone who is extremely rational when it comes to the roster and reaching conclusions as to who is going to work and who is not going to work," Leiweke said. "Sometimes you have to find a new set of eyes and a new opinion in order to judge a roster. Not be personal about a player because you chose him or you used the first pick in the first round to pick a player. Sometimes it's easier for a guy coming in that doesn't have that loyalty and doesn't have that burden of being the guy that made that decision. You reach a better conclusion at times about who needs to stay and who needs to go."

    Reading between the lines in that article, there's several conclusions I jumped to:

    1. BC overvalued guys he brought in, especially via the draft, and was unable to properly evaluate them or treat them as assets; he was way too loyal (ie: Bargnani and likely DeRozan, to a much lesser extent).

    2. Bargnani will not be on the roster next season.

    3. The core of the team next season will likely not include all of Gay, DeRozan, Lowry, Valanciunas, Johnson, Ross, Fields, Acy; the core of the team is not good enough to be competitive next year or long-term, and you have to giveup talent to get talent.

    4. For all the talk of analytics, I get the feeling that BC went with his gut and his loyalty way too much (ie: not trading Bargnani, giving a big contract to DeRozan way too early, going 'all in' for Gay), so the new GM will need to follow the analytics / advanced stats way more than simple emotional/subjective evaluation of players.

    5. BC wasn't so much the used car salesman we all thought he was, but rather he was honestly blinded by his own kool-aid, to the point that he truly believed everything he said (ie: about the team being close to the playoffs, about organic growth being enough to take the team to the next step, etc...).

    6. Whoever comes in as GM must buy-in to Leieweke's view of the roster, rather than BC's view, meaning significant change is coming to the team's core; not just a Bargnani dump and not a 'blow it up' rebuild, but something in between.

    7. Every player on the roster not named Valanciunas should have a realtor and moving company on stand-by, as I don't think anybody is safe at this point (maybe not even Valanciunas).

    8. Ujiri seems like a great pick for GM, for several reasons:
    - he's not afraid of coming in and trading the popular/established players (ie: 'Melo in Denver)
    - he's shown an ability to balance both a 'competitive win-now' and 'build for the future' approach in his roster building
    - he's not afraid to pull the trigger on trades and has been able to pounce on trade opportunities (ie: getting in on the Howard trade)
    - has been pretty successful with draft picks
    - has done a good job of positional stacking, to have young players on the roster at each position, further enhancing the tradeability of the more established/expensive players (able to view players as assets, rather than being blinded by emotion/loyalty - its a business)
    - he'll have a good relationship with BC, but will also want to establish his own identity, to prove that he's deserving of the EOY award and not just a BC 'yes man'
    - given his past with the Raptors, he has more than just a passing familiarity with much of the roster, both the pros and cons of each of them (from both an internal Raptors' perspective and an opposing team's perspective)
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    "We need someone who is extremely rational when it comes to the roster and reaching conclusions as to who is going to work and who is not going to work," Leiweke said.

    This is the most telling quote of all. The unstated assumption is that the person who was in place before was NOT "...rational when it comes to the roster and reaching conclusions as to who is going to work and who is not going to work."

    That and the statement that "...the two men had 'a disagreement on the current status of the organization and this roster.'"

    Leiweke's my man.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Basketball is a business and bc likely excels in the non-basketball parts. If they are saying he has no role in basketball decisions moving forward then who am I to doubt? If Ujiri is brought in with full basketball authority might be bounce ideas off Bc, assuming they are tight, whether he works for MLSE or not? Also BC has basically said we are trading Bargnani, not sure what conflicts arise there.

    I am not seeing the big deal. Seems like they are doing off the court what guys should be doing on the court which is playing to their strengths.
    This quote from Leiweke is what I meant on the bold above:

    He noted Colangelo's communication skills and ability to build relationships with sponsors as to why he would be successful in a business operations role.

    "He's smart, he's intelligent, he's a good businessman and he's very passionate about the Raptors, very articulate, represents them well and he loves Toronto."

    http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=423779
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    A little more information on Troy Weaver from OKC website:


    Troy Weaver | Vice President / Assistant General Manager

    [ ] Troy Weaver begins his fifth season with Oklahoma City and his third as the team’s VP/Assistant General Manager. Weaver joined the Thunder in May of 2008 and assists General Manager Sam Presti with roster development and day-to-day basketball operations. In addition, he coordinates the team’s player personnel matters including NBA Draft preparation, player free agency and summer league roster.

    Weaver held the position of director of player personnel for the Utah Jazz in 2007-08. He spent three seasons (2004-07) as head scout for the Jazz before his promotion to Director of Player Personnel.

    Prior to joining the Jazz, Weaver was an assistant coach at Syracuse University for four seasons (2000-04). The Orangemen won the 2003 NCAA National Championship led by Weaver recruit Carmelo Anthony. In addition to his experience at Syracuse, Weaver spent time as an assistant coach at New Mexico (1999-2000) and Pittsburgh (1996-99).

    Prior to his collegiate coaching days, Weaver amassed an 85-17 record as an AAU coach in Washington, D.C. He guided the DC Assault to the 1996 AAU Tournament of Champions.

    Weaver graduated with an associate’s degree from Prince George’s Community College (MD) in 1991, where he also played one season of basketball.

    http://www.nba.com/thunder/team/basketballops1.html

    With Utah, Weaver oversaw the equivalent of two winning lottery tickets (i.e. 2nd round picks who not only make the league but remain in the league 8-9 years later: Paul Millsap and CJ Miles).

    He has been associated with 2 of the 3 best run franchises (SA, Utah, OKC) of the last 10 years, in my opinion.

    He has a very impressive resume. I would be very happy with this hire.
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    Another article on possible candidates. Ujiri, Pritchard, and Stefanski are mentioned. I took the lesser knowns but click to read up on all:

    Tommy Sheppard – Vice president of basketball administration, Washington Wizards

    Maybe not quite as big a name as others on the list, Sheppard has been around the league for many moons now. He has been in Washington for nine years and is Ernie Grunfeld’s right-hand man. Prior to joining the Wizards, Sheppard spent time in Denver where he worked with Leiweke, which could be why he has been linked with the job.

    Troy Weaver – Assistant general manager, Oklahoma City Thunder

    Weaver is one of the hottest commodities in the NBA right now as he serves as Sam Presti’s top lieutenant in Oklahoma City. Prior to joining the Thunder staff, Weaver was in Utah where he was director of player personnel. Any link with the Thunder or Spurs front office seems to add to other teams’ interest in the team’s staff.

    Jeff Weltman – Assistant general manager, Milwaukee Bucks

    Weltman has been in Milwaukee for five seasons where he has served as assistant general manager to John Hammond. Prior to joining the Bucks, he spent time time in Denver and Detroit as well as with the Los Angeles Clippers.

    Scott Layden – Assistant general manager, San Antonio Spurs

    While he is the son of Jazz legend Frank Layden, Scott Layden has quite a long resume of his own. He was GM of the Knicks for five (up-and-down) seasons around the turn of the century but has more recently been part of the Spurs incredible front office staff. Many consider Layden to be responsible for the Jazz decision to select John Stockton.

    Mike Zarren – Assistant general manager, Boston Celtics

    He is a lifelong Celtic who has worked his way up the ladder from unpaid intern to assistant general manager in similar fashion to Blue Jays boss Alex Anthopoulos. Zarren is an all-star in the stats community and recently turned down a similar posting with the 76ers according to reports.

    Tom Penn – ESPN.com

    Penn was Pritchard’s right-hand man in Portland and also spent seven seasons with the Grizzlies and was with them for their final season in Vancouver. He is considered to be a top-notch expert in managing a salary cap and on the CBA. He has also aided ESPN on their combine coverage in the past.


    http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...he-candidates/

    Weaver and Penn would be a nice combo - talent spotter and CBA expert.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Another article on possible candidates. Ujiri, Pritchard, and Stefanski are mentioned. I took the lesser knowns but click to read up on all:




    Weaver and Penn would be a nice combo - talent spotter and CBA expert.
    Good God...Just please nobody from Washington or Milwaukee. Both those guys seem like they have the worst track record and experience anyway.

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    I think it is going to be Morway.

    I hope it is Weaver.
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    Tim Leiweke, the new CEO of the Raps’ ownership conglomerate, concluded that Colangelo was not the right guy to make those future moves. Now he just has to find a replacement, one who is willing to work with Colangelo hovering nearby, input at the ready. This is an attractive job in some ways. The Raps have been a high-payroll team, and they’ve indicated they are willing to exceed the luxury tax by a significant margin if doing so helps Colangelo’s successor build a winner, according to multiple league sources.

    They’re coveting Ujiri, up for a new deal in Denver, and he’d be a home run hire — an out-of-the-box thinker who is usually plotting six or seven steps down the line and understands how the league is evolving. He’s also tight with Colangelo, which would either be ideal or awkward. But Ujiri likes his Nuggets team and is curious to see where they might go. Either Denver or Toronto will need to pay him, and if they’re not going to pony up for a guy with Ujiri’s track record, I’m not sure why they are competing in the NBA. If Ujiri passes, the Raps have a half-dozen or so other names in mind. Someone will have a very exciting challenge on their hands.

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...ess-in-the-nba
    For the first time it appears ownership is willing to spend, spend, spend because content (i.e. ratings and interest) matter like never before thanks to a broadcasting majority ownership team.
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    A good run down of Colangelo's odyssey from genius to dolt, as per Zach Lowe at Grantland.com:

    Last summer, the Raps tossed an insane amount of money at Landry Fields, a wing player who cannot shoot at all, partly as a means of blocking the Knicks from trading for the player Toronto really wanted: Steve Nash. The Lakers and Nash’s desire to win a title saved Colangelo from paying Nash something like $10 million per year over three seasons. The Nash-Fields pairing, the team’s intent, would have been a cap catastrophe (captastrophe?).

    Bargnani and DeMar DeRozan will earn a combined $20.25 million next season, and though DeRozan is only 23, he hasn’t yet played up to his $9.5 million annual salary. But he’s a good kid, and a hard worker, and Mike Conley’s ascension is a reminder that young guys take some seasoning sometimes.

    The Bargnani and DeRozan extensions speak to something of a lack of creativity and/or aggression when it came to Colangelo’s own guys. It would have taken rare courage for a GM to recognize a sunk-cost no. 1 pick early — to deal him when his value was still relatively high, or to offer him a much lower extension, dare him to take the one-year qualifying offer, etc. But the best GMs make moves that occasionally surprise us, because they are working two steps ahead or have come to some internal conclusion, even an uncomfortable one, about one of their own players. Colangelo struggled to do that with his own guys, and now the Raptors are stuck either paying Bargnani way too much or dealing him for nothing.

    And that’s almost surprising, because Colangelo is a smart basketball thinker who has done creative, aggressive stuff in the past. He helped build Phoenix teams that literally changed the league. He had Toronto on the forefront of the international game, in terms of both executives (Masai Ujiri, Maurizio Gherardini) and players (Jorge Garbajosa, Jonas Valanciunas). He made a worthy bet on Kyle Lowry, perhaps the league’s most mercurial talent, and saw early the kind of defense-first leader Amir Johnson might become. He was ahead of the game on Tyson Chandler, very nearly closing a deal for him in 2010 that would have given the Raptors a defense-first center who has changed everything for two franchises since then. (The Bobcats pulled out at the last minute.) He invested early, and aggressively, in advanced analytics.

    All of which is to say: Colangelo’s record is spotty, just like the record of basically every GM who sticks around long enough to make a lot of decisions. There is more bad than good, especially with the team’s recent use of cap space, but it’s easy to see how things might have turned out differently had the Raptors won the lottery in the right season. Even so, the Lowry-Gay-Johnson-Valanciunas-DeRozan five-man core has promise; the Raps outscored opponents by nearly 13 points per 100 possessions — a larger number than Oklahoma City’s league-leading margin — in 343 minutes with those five on the floor, and it’s fun to think of how good that group might do on offense if Valanciunas develops and the Raps dare to flip DeRozan — one of their own — for some real outside shooting.

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...ess-in-the-nba
    I think the bold is why he is no longer making basketball decisions.
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    All GM candidates should have to present their Bargnani solution before being offered the job ... Yes long term vision and credentials are very important - but what about the task at hand? How to they view our roster, and where would they take this team in the next 3 years?

    The Thunder candidate would excite me in this way, as I love many aspects of their roster - outside of just lottery luck.

    I also believe that Stefanski would be an ideal progression with intimate, intimate knowledge of our roster - but is still new enough to the franchise, that he is not jaded on things we've been seeing for the last 5 years.

    Masai & Pritchard seem to carry excitement for ability to make moves ... but we don't need a roster shake-up.

    Phil is an unknown, with a genius mind for basketball, systems and player chemistry - and maybe talent evaluation.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    For the first time it appears ownership is willing to spend, spend, spend because content (i.e. ratings and interest) matter like never before thanks to a broadcasting majority ownership team.
    great news to Raps fans!
    just as side notes: I'm excited by what's going on around our team these days; hope we get the right candidate to run the Raps

    p.s.
    thanks for posting Weaver's biography. Certainly sounds like some one, who'd love to see here (at least judging by your summary)

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    A good run down of Colangelo's odyssey from genius to dolt, as per Zach Lowe at Grantland.com:



    I think the bold is why he is no longer making basketball decisions.
    Great somewhat "outside" review. For whatever you think of Bargnani, it is fool's gold to make that pick the anchor you tie to Colangelo. What he's done with it since is more relevant. Maybe a different GM wouldn't have been swayed by the flashes of potential if it wasn't him who mined it. Maybe the same could be said for Derozan. That said, when the restricted free agent offers get thrown around this summer, it will be interesting to see what a player like him may be offered (and where that may have left the Huskies). In an semi related note (in terms of other basketball bloggers), has anyone noticed that T Chisholm is absent from the TSN site? No current or past columns listed. Odd.

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    Quote Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Great somewhat "outside" review. For whatever you think of Bargnani, it is fool's gold to make that pick the anchor you tie to Colangelo. What he's done with it since is more relevant. Maybe a different GM wouldn't have been swayed by the flashes of potential if it wasn't him who mined it. Maybe the same could be said for Derozan. That said, when the restricted free agent offers get thrown around this summer, it will be interesting to see what a player like him may be offered (and where that may have left the Huskies). In an semi related note (in terms of other basketball bloggers), has anyone noticed that T Chisholm is absent from the TSN site? No current or past columns listed. Odd.
    Here's Tim's latest entry:

    http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=423674
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    Matt has me leaning towards Weaver.

    1.) Weaver
    2.) Ujiri
    3.) Me

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    Quote Papa Burgundy wrote: View Post
    but we don't need a roster shake-up.
    We don't need a full out blow up and rebuild.

    We desperately need a roster shake up

    We still have no answer at backup PG

    Our starting wings can't shoot threes.

    Our starting PF can't stay healthy long enough to get traded.

    Once he is traded we lack a third big OR a starting PF depending how you lean in that debate.

    We don't have a single lock down defender. (just guys that flare up on occasion)

    We don't have a single three point specialist (just guys that flare up on occasion)

    BC meddled in the coaching this year (I'm sure of it after listening to Smitch talk about Bryan meddling with him) So I'm not sure which Lowry we get...regardless of who we get his chubby ass needs to get into and stay in shape.

    This team could not be MORE in need of a shakeup.

    AMIR - JONAS are the only two Raptors I would hate to see go

    And Amir might be that guy that has to go in order to get someone back since he is one of our very few HIGH VALUE ASSETS
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Thanks. I just found it weird that you don't see it listed on the main nba page anymore. Still tough to find. That's what I get for looking elsewhere for my raptors info

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    We don't need a full out blow up and rebuild. We desperately need a roster shake up.
    Agreed.

    I don't even want to try to prioritize the importance of moves, but moves are needed, and sound like they are an inevitability under TL.

    I think these are your major trade assets, and 'expendable' ones, in the context of a team with a lot of holes and no immediate hope of championship contention:

    1. Lowry (expiring, cheap contract relative to production, but going to get more expensive at end of season)
    2. Gay (yes, I know this is not a popular opinion, but I really have a hard time seeing him as a top-2 player on a contending team, which is what he's getting paid to be. With 2 years left, he might be tough to trade, but I think he still has some cache among the non-analytic types in the league. I would *hate* to see Toronto re-sign him at a similar price tag.)
    3. Derozan (price tag is meh, not too high or too low; he has a lot of admirers around the league, is a good character guy, etc. -- probably the easiest sale of all three)

    You could include Ross, but his salary is so low, and he's not proven much so far, so he's simply salary-match/sweetener fodder right now. He alone isn't going to make or break a significant deal.

    Amir is a good trade asset, too, but he, along with Val, were I GM, would be the two closest to 'untouchable' status. Again, I know this is probably not the most popular opinion, but I think Amir is the rock of the current team in terms of veteran attitude, work ethic, toughness -- everything this team is supposed to be about, not to mention his community love affair -- and at his price tag, he should be kept unless he's the deciding factor in a deal that nets a star.

    I think Valanciunas is the #1 asset, of course, but I don't think they would consider trading him just yet. Not sure, though. This new GM has no loyalty or emotional investment in any of these players, and could see Val as a way to bundle out some of the most unattractive assets. Imagine what a Val-Gay-Bargs package might net you in return... As a fan, I'm emotionally invested enough after last season to want to see Val stay, but depending on the return.......
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    Hold onto JV and blow the rest of the team up please. Get a GM in that knows how to draft talented players, arm him with multiple picks in the next years draft and lets start fresh. I just don't see how any amount of tinkering with the current roster makes us contenders. Add any one player to this roster that would be realistic to acquire through trade or free agency and we are still non-contenders.

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    Someone with an actual plan would be cool.

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    Can't really stress enough how awesome it'd be if we actually got Uriji.

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