View Poll Results: Who do you think will be next GM of the Toronto Raptors?

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  • Phil Jackson

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  • Masai Ujiri

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Thread: Masai Ujiri Hired As Raptors GM (post #780)

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If you listen to the interview on RR homepage with Ujiri and Devlin, there is a real and (in my opinion) important difference between Ujiri and Colangelo/Casey.

    Colangelo/Casey both have their idea of how the game of basketball should be played (ironically it seems that BC and DC have opposite views). Despite different views, both BC/DC stick with what they think is the "right" way whether the roster is built for it or not (or maybe "come hell or high water"). BC and DC are the epitome of putting square pegs in round holes.

    Ujiri on the other hand acknowledges he has a style he would like to play but it might not always work with what you have and therefore you've got to work with what you are given.

    Might not be a big deal but I think it is a stark contrast to BC and DC.
    yes this THIS it'd drive me crazy how terribly the two worked together, not to mention how they'd passive-aggressively say the other wasn't doing their job. i look forward to the straight forwardness of the new reich.
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Are you kidding me? BC wasn't very good but this team has way more talent than the mediocre bucks team.
    They actually made the playoffs.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    They actually made the playoffs.
    Don't go bringing facts into this!

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    They actually made the playoffs.
    Making the playoffs doesn't only depend on talent alone. Milwaukee actually had a half decent system in place. For the raptors it was give the ball to demar or Rudy.

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    Who else would you go give it to really?

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Making the playoffs doesn't only depend on talent alone. Milwaukee actually had a half decent system in place. For the raptors it was give the ball to demar or Rudy.
    Actually, Milwaukee had as poor a system. There was so much conflict on whether who the primary ball-handler was between Jennings, and Ellis. They did not have a capable offensive big other than Ilyasova, and their wings are definitely nowhere near the talent level of DeRozan/Gay/Ross/Fields/Anderson.

    Too many injuries, bad hole to begin with in the 4-19 start, lack of continuity and consistency, throw in some bad coaching and missed calls, and there's the season.
    Milwaukee at the VERY least was consistent, despite having a couple bumps on the road i.e. Scott Skiles.

    There's no doubt the Raptors were the more talented team, but there was nothing that fit. I know we've all read it on this forum,
    but this whole roster (definitely can argue coaches/front-office mindset) is basically square pegs trying to snap into round holes.

    1. Ujiri is a great start in terms of building a team PROPERLY.
    2. Coach Casey and the relationship/philosophy with Ujiri remains to be seen, but if Casey goes back to the defensive approach he brought in his first season, isn't too caught up with his players "come hell or high water", change his ways to wanting to give young players development time and opportunities, and can find or develop some sort of above average offensive system, this could be another step in the right direction.
    3. The roster make-up, a few players I would keep IF Ujiri truly is planning a rebuild or re-tool.
    - JV, Amir, Acy, Gay are the only guys I would name "untouchable". Bringing in young players through draft, trades (prospects, picks, expirings) are going to be huge, specifically the certain TYPES of players Ujiri is bringing in.

    PG: -------,
    SG: -------,
    SF: Gay,
    PF: -------, Johnson, Acy
    C: Valanciunas

    Team will need some sort of inside scorer to develop a great inside post duo similar to that of Indiana (seems to be the model for Ujiri), Memphis (West, Millsap, Smith), or a big that can somehow stretch the floor, or bring a finesse game (Ilyasova, Love).

    Shooters are needed, a point guard - or back-up depending on Lowry situation - (hopefully through this draft, because the point guard position is the only "strong" position in the draft), wing/guard defenders, some sort of bench scorer (could be Ross, or DeRozan - expensive bench player - developing in that role), and fill rest of positions with role players.

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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    Who else would you go give it to really?
    All 5 guys on the court.

    Ball movement and off ball movement are crucial and Toronto desperately lacked both.
    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
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    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    All 5 guys on the court.

    Ball movement and off ball movement are crucial and Toronto desperately lacked both.
    Which is why I like Landry Fields. whenever he's on the floor, there seems to be more ball movement

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    Quote Raptor_11 wrote: View Post
    Which is why I like Landry Fields. whenever he's on the floor, there seems to be more ball movement
    Also spacing, regardless of is poor outside shooting. Great movement off the ball.

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Making the playoffs doesn't only depend on talent alone. Milwaukee actually had a half decent system in place. For the raptors it was give the ball to demar or Rudy.
    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    Who else would you go give it to really?
    Swoosh.

    Did you hear that flying directly passed you?

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    Quote ReubenJRD wrote: View Post
    Also spacing, regardless of is poor outside shooting. Great movement off the ball.
    Spacing? His guy sagged way off the perimeter. Landry was 0% threat from the outside. That's the opposite of spacing. The paint was packed. Excellent weak side cuts, he took advantage of the traffic in the paint, but that has little to do with spacing. That's just his high IQ.

    What I like about Fields is that what he can do he does well. Always plays within himself, but that does not make him a starter. Just someone who plays a solid bench game.

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    If he can make the open 3 he's a starter. Its a make-or-break thing for his career

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    Quote Raptor_11 wrote: View Post
    If he can make the open 3 he's a starter. Its a make-or-break thing for his career
    which he only did once or so this entire season.....Fields isnt part of the Raps future Ujiri has to move him for something hopefully packaged for a pick or something.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    which he only did once or so this entire season.....Fields isnt part of the Raps future Ujiri has to move him for something hopefully packaged for a pick or something.
    Ujiri won't know what he has in Fields until he sees him play after a summer of retooling his shot after the surgery. Fields has been in the league for three years. We can see he is a smart player who also is a good defender...arguably the best Raptor on D. He has experience and BB IQ. Now they need to see if he has the shot he had in his rookie year. He should be a better shooter with his added experience at getting himself free, so his efficiency should be higher than his rookie season (assuming his surgical repairs work).

    He shot 50% as a rookie, and 39% from 3 point land. Plus 6 rebounds and 2 assists with 30 minutes of playing time. If his shooting can come back he is a keeper. Those numbers are equal to or better than Gay's numbers since coming to Toronto. For a lot less money, and I don't ever see him floating.

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    Fields is the kind of player who is only as good as those around him. He's not going to make it happen on his own but if you have good ball movement, a facilitator and a legit leading scorer who draws extra attention then he could make a real impact on the offense in my opinion. This is the problem, the Raptors may or may not have that when the season starts. This would be Jason Kapono all over again if not for his good defense.

    $8.5M will be a lot to pay for a guy who depends on others heavily but it might be a good trade assets that final year...

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Ujiri won't know what he has in Fields until he sees him play after a summer of retooling his shot after the surgery. Fields has been in the league for three years. We can see he is a smart player who also is a good defender...arguably the best Raptor on D. He has experience and BB IQ. Now they need to see if he has the shot he had in his rookie year. He should be a better shooter with his added experience at getting himself free, so his efficiency should be higher than his rookie season (assuming his surgical repairs work).

    He shot 50% as a rookie, and 39% from 3 point land. Plus 6 rebounds and 2 assists with 30 minutes of playing time. If his shooting can come back he is a keeper. Those numbers are equal to or better than Gay's numbers since coming to Toronto. For a lot less money, and I don't ever see him floating.
    again thats a lot of Ifs and if we're talking about Ujiri taking his time looking at the team he might as well study both DeMar and Rossetc etc Raps cant wait for Ifs move Fields they can find another starting 2 or just give it to Ross, Ball IQ means little if you cant put the ball in the hoop.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    again thats a lot of Ifs...
    The only if is "has his shot returned." Should be able to tell that by August 1st with a 30 minute shooting drill.

    If his shot isn't back, who is going to want him at 6 mill a year? If his shot is back to rookie form, he is easily worth 6 mill a year, and a total benefit to the club.

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    If his shot is back I would jettison DD and start Landry in a heart beat, let him and Amir be garbage men and Rudy, Kyle and Jonas can carry the offense

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    Not to bring it around but I think Milwaukee had more talent than us as well as playing better

    Jennings > Lowry
    Ellis > DeRozan
    Ilysova > Amir
    Dunleavy >Kleiza
    Reddick > Ross

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    Via HoopsHype.com:

    Benjamin Hochman: Josh said Masai told him he didn't even need to consider matching the Toronto contract, because Masai’s decision was already made. Twitter @nuggetsnews
    So to anyone who says he left only because of the money.........
    "Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."
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    except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.

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