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Thread: Masai Ujiri Hired As Raptors GM (post #780)

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    Looks like some hand wringing going on in Nugget land ...and rightly so I suppose...

    More Ujiri rumors: Does a glimmer of hope remain?

    May 27, 2013
    by Joel
    There was a sudden whirlwind of rumors and reports last Friday during the time leading up to and just after Masai Ujiri met with the Raptors to discuss the possibility of leaving the Nuggets to take the helm at Torontoís front office. But hings quickly went silent thereafter, and few whispers have been heard on the matter since the tumultuous events of last weekend.

    However, Steve Kyler, editor and publisher of Hoopsworld and an NBA writer for USA Today, was recently answering some questions on Twitter (follow him here), and if his sources are accurate, his responses could possibly shed some new light on some of the details, and perhaps even provide Nuggets fans with a ray of hope (albeit dim) in the gloom of the ongoing Ujiri saga.

    For easier readability, I have slightly modified Kylerís tweet chain below, putting it in a less ďtwitteryĒ and more standard, chronological Q&A transcript form. Please either scroll down Kylerís timeline or follow the links to the tweets (posted below) if you want to see the original posts.

    Q: [What are the] odds Toronto lands Ujiri? Whatís option B?

    Steve Kyler: I think Denver steps up and pays him, so [that's] somewhat moot.

    Q: That goes against everything being reported, especially Denver paying him.

    SK: That is the only issue. Masai has been massively underpaid by NBA standards and the Toronto offer is a bigger control situation.

    Q: Why wonít Denver match the offer?

    SK: Whats the number? [The] Nuggets owe a ton and if [the] Raptorsí offer is significant how do you pay it?

    Q: Thatís why I was surprised to see you infer that he will end up staying in Denver.

    SK: [I've] been told if Denver matches heíd stay. Thatís the unknown. Whatís the offer, whatís the role, whatís the money? Denver can match and I think they will. The story is Denver and Masai had an agreement in principle on a new deal, then Toronto called. Denver let Masai talk with the Raptors, which took place on Friday. [The] Raptorsí offer was roughly $3 million per year.

    The ball is back in Denverís corner to match [with a] similar offer. Given how Josh Kroneke feels about Masai, I think they will. [But] $3 million for an executive is a big number, so I am sure there is debate and some consideration of a Plan B.

    Q: If he feels so strongly then why give Raps permission at all?

    SK: [You] never want a guy having second thoughts.

    The first thing many will notice is that some of these statements seem to directly contradict Adrian Wojnarowskiís recent report (which Kalen posted about) that in no uncertain terms painted a picture that Ujiri is likely as good as gone from the Nuggets. And as Woj tends to be seen as the gold standard when it comes to the accuracy of such reports, it would seem unwise to err against him when things get into ďmy story against yoursĒ territory.

    However, Kyler is a credible, well-sourced NBA reporter in his own right, and his report certainly should not be easily dismissed, either. This situation is still in flux. Ujiriís meeting with Toronto did happen, as did their big offer, which definitely appears not to bode well for the majority of Nuggets fans who wish to see Denver keep him on board.

    But that heís gone is not yet a foregone conclusion. I do not wish to drum up baseless, false hopes here, but there are some encouraging signs in Kylerís assessment.

    To most Nuggets fans (myself included) it is a no-brainer to pay Ujiri what heís worth. But to play devilís advocaate, it is easy for us to say so when itís not our money being spent. At the very least, there may be more credibility than we would like to believe in the notion that the amount of money involved complicates the situation.

    I personally feel that it really is just as simple as ďJust pay the man what heís worth!Ē, but that is a lot of dough, and itís at least a little understandable that that could cause there to be some conflicted views within the Nuggets organization. In terms of whether Kylerís reports are accurate or not, the apparent conflict between Josh Kroenkeís appreciation of and respect for Ujiri, and the hesitation of the organization (read: the apparent cheapness of Stan Kroenke) rings plausible, and it opens a door to the possibility that the Nuggets are still operating in good faith (even if itís stingy good faith) with Ujiri.

    But of course there are more interesting morsels in there.

    If itís true that ďDenver and Masai had an agreement in principle on a new deal,Ē thatís potentially gut wrenching news for Nuggets fans. Now, we cannot rule out the possibility that Ujiri himself wanted to hold out on a new contract until the end of the season, knowing full well that that would be the best way to get the best pay. He didnít win Executive of the Year because heís stupid, and though he may be humble, heís certainly aware of his success and how itís upped his stature and value in the league.

    But if the Nuggets did, in fact, have earlier opportunities to extend his contract (likely for less money) and failed to jump on them when they had the chance, that is not only completely unforgivable from a personnel management and public relations standpoint, itís also just plain and simply bad business to unload the engine of your success.

    If you want to drive fast, you canít trade in your Porsche for a Yugo.

    Then there is the report that if the Nuggets match the Raptorsí offer, Ujiri will stay in Denver. The odds, unfortunately, still appear to lean towards his departure. And itís a safe bet the longer Denver holds out on him, the less likely heíll be to want to stick around.

    But if it is indeed true that Ujiriís preference would be to remain in Denver so long as they match Torontoís offer, that could be the game-changer Nuggets fans are hoping against hope for. The hope that Josh Skywalker might convince Stan Vader that there is still some good left in him.

    The situation still looks grim, but perhaps not all hope is lost. The iron may not be red hot anymore, but it still at least may be malleable enough to prevent this fiasco from escalating into a full-blown train wreck.

    But if the worst does come to pass, and the Nuggets end up being the Keystone Kops that fumbled and bumbled and let their man get away, the two residual messages the fans will be left with are:

    1) We donít give a ratís ass about you or your financial and emotional investment in this team.

    Öand:

    2) We are not seriously committed to building a championship team, and instead are content to wallow in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

    If thatís the broadcast they transmit, they should rightfully expect to have a much smaller, and much less passionate and supportive fan base next season.
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    Was Phil even in the plans? The media speculated that he might be because of the connection with Leiweke, but was it really something that Tim pursued? He's friends with Phil. I'm sure he threw the idea at him, but I'm also pretty sure it wasn't something that he really considered. I think Ujiri is Plan A, not Plan B.
    im sure many teams threw many dollars at phil.

    in all honesty, im not sure why he doesn't want to sign with some of them. i can understand keeping up a reputation, but can never understand giving up more money to do so ...

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    Ujiri expected to decide his future today

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    I have bad feeling about this...
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    Who really cares if Ujiri comes to Toronto or not? The guy is being way overhyped. Last i checked the great Denver Nuggets got bounced by the Warriors in the 1st round of the playoffs.

    Btw, i have this feeling that Ujiri is using the Raptors to get a better offer from Kroenke and the Nuggets.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Who really cares if Ujiri comes to Toronto or not? The guy is being way overhyped. Last i checked the great Denver Nuggets got bounced by the Warriors in the 1st round of the playoffs.

    Btw, i have this feeling that Ujiri is using the Raptors to get a better offer from Kroenke and the Nuggets.
    And if that is true, more power to him. This is a business.
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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    I have bad feeling about this...
    Weaver makes me feel better.
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    The Denver Nuggets rarely have information leaked under the Masai Ujiri reign. Sort of funny that information about the Nuggets initial offer to Ujiri would be leaked, but Chris Tomasson, of Fox Sports Florida, just Tweeted this out:

    Chris Tomasson @christomasson

    Nuggets initial offer to Masai Ujiri was believed to start at $1.2 mil per year, less than half of Toronto’s offer Will Nuggets raise it?
    6:11 PM - 28 May 2013



    The $1.2 million per year offer is a nice raise from the $500,000 that Ujiri was believed to be making on his original contract, but will it be enough? The Raptors are rumored to be offering something in the $1.5M, $2.25M, or $3 million per season range - depending on which reporter you want to believe. No matter who you choose to believe, the Nuggets are coming in below all three rumored offers from Toronto.


    Perhaps we'll find out soon which way Masai will go ... expect some news on Ujiri's decision tomorrow.

    http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/5/2...ts-gm#comments

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    This whole thing reminds me a lot of the Steve Nash saga last year. I think Ujiri will stay in Denver.
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    Quote Toinsy wrote: View Post
    Anyone see this?


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    Wow. If you want a sad, depressing, city-loathing, and organization-loathing read this morning, here you go.

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptor...job_kelly.html


    I can't get behind the premise but I have been wrong before and I wouldn't be surprised if I was now. I just don't think it is as cut and dry as Kelly makes it out to be. There has to be a desire by Ujiri to see through what he started in Denver plus add in the loyalty to an organization that gave him his start in a paid NBA position and as a GM, the friendship with ownership, and the raise from Denver that was coming (2-3x his $500k - so the 500% raise is not quite telling of the real financial situation, 50-100% is though and that is still a lot of money but not 500%).
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    Did I said that I had a bad feeling about this?

    This is worst case scenario of this story, if the writer knows what he's writing. He does not simply reject the offer, when he has similar offer from Nuggets, he basically says that he's not going to Toronto for any money you offer him, and the worst part, he has been there already.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Weaver makes me feel better.
    Why? We know nothing about him except the fact he's a good scout (supposedly). I'm as guilty as anyone but we should all stop pretending we know Weaver would be a good hire...

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Wow. If you want a sad, depressing, city-loathing, and organization-loathing read this morning, here you go.

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptor...job_kelly.html


    I can't get behind the premise but I have been wrong before and I wouldn't be surprised if I was now. I just don't think it is as cut and dry as Kelly makes it out to be. There has to be a desire by Ujiri to see through what he started in Denver plus add in the loyalty to an organization that gave him his start in a paid NBA position and as a GM, the friendship with ownership, and the raise from Denver that was coming (2-3x his $500k - so the 500% raise is not quite telling of the real financial situation, 50-100% is though and that is still a lot of money but not 500%).
    Kelly gets on my nerves. He is the typical passive-aggressive Torontonian who thinks he lives in Manhattan or London and when his illusion is shattered he lashes out at the people who have made him question his little self-created myth.

    Having trouble hiring people is the case with all bad teams. It's why getting BC was a coup. Plus, I won't get into it here, making $2.5 mil as opposed to $1.25 mill isn't changing anyone's lifestyle in any material way. It's not like he's living in a shack in the Ozarks.... The money difference here isn't as significant as people think it is.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    Why? We know nothing about him except the fact he's a good scout (supposedly). I'm as guilty as anyone but we should all stop pretending we know Weaver would be a good hire...
    Why:

    1) He is a great scout (Melo at Syracuse, pushed for Westbrook, two 2nd round picks in Utah who are still in league 7-8 years later Millsap/Miles)
    2) He has been hands on in an organization that when faced with numerous decisions to make they have been proactive and acted from a position of strength
    3) He has seen first hand uses of the CBA to the teams advantage (Nick Collison extension)


    I did not say he would be a good hire. I gave and subsequently implied an opinion on who I would like. Why wouldn't you want hires that are directly or indirectly bred out of the front offices of Utah, San Antonio, or OKC?
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    That was a snarky piece on many levels but the multiple Denver putdowns to embellish the TO great city canard was totally unneccessary. Denver may not have the big city core but the surrounding environs far surpass what Toronto has to offer. And then we elected Rob Ford. How much does that do for your sniffing Cathal?

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    Ms Ujiri needs to put on her best "Lady MacBeth" impression and sway her Husband to the route of total control, more money, more power and get him to Toronto.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Ms Ujiri needs to put on her best "Lady MacBeth" impression and sway her Husband to the route of total control, more money, more power and get him to Toronto.
    Just make sure Ujiri doesn't kill anyone in the process, lol.

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