He's just asking for it. Doesn't mean he'll get it.
If I valued myself as he does himself, it makes sense.
There are too may BC threads. I'm getting confused to as to which one to respond to.
went from being excited to kind of scared about whats going to happen... Like seriously what if this new guy blows up the Roster?
I dont see any reason to blow it up.Ryan Wolstat @WolstatSun 4h
Raptors have two options if they want to be decent/good at any point. Retool/add to what they have or blow it up and hope for lotto luck
See above and add: no draft pick; no cap room; no trade material of any consequence. Top ten payroll, can't make playoffs. Two significant pieces are free agents in the next two years. ~$20 million tied up in players who contributed nothing all season (Bargs, Fields and Kleiza) with another nearly $30 million committed to a wing combo that can't hit threes or pass. The reason to blow it up is that this team is on the path to nowhere....I dont see any reason to blow it up.
I think Colangelo's gone, and here's why. I think you have to look at it from Tim Leiweke's perspective.
From his perspective he's the new guy and he just went out and told everyone that he's about winning championships and how great this city is and its great potential. He wants us to compete with the Chicago's, the LA's, and the New York franchise.
At this point, it doesn't make sense to keep Colangelo just to see if the team he has built pans out. BC doesn't have to be in charge to see that happen. From Leiweke's standpoint, it would show weakness and indecisiveness to keep a guy around who just led you to 5 straight lottery seasons. And I don't see that happening, I don't think MLSE hires this guy if he's that kind of wishy-washy person.
I don't see how, under any circumstance, Tim could bring Colangelo back for one more year. It just doesn't make any good business sense unless he is thinking Colangelo long term, which would contradict what he said when he was hired.
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The last five years my expectations have been lowered and lowered each year. That suddenly dawned on me shortly after the fateful Washington/Cleveland/Milwaukee games after the Gay trade hype had worn off. I don't want to MAYBE get the 8th seed or *gasp* the 7th seed. F that with a capital F. My signature below of the Leiweke quote awakened my memories of what it was like to hope for and cheer for the possibility of greatness. Even if everything works out perfect this team is far away from greatness.
I defended/supported/attempted to explained what I thought were Colangelo's plans and always had the rose coloured glasses or optimistic that all would go according to "plan". Well, I was wrong. Dead wrong. I went back and forth with Tim W., slaw, ebrian, and a whole bunch of people who I banned (not because of opposing view but they couldn't oppose within the decorum of the forum). Over the years whatever could go wrong, has gone wrong. We can talk about excuses or reasons why but at the end of the day results matter. Colangelo has not had results - period. In the sad history of this franchise never has it gone 5 years without a playoff appearance until now.
Colangelo has talked great games of financial flexibility, rebuilding, building, accelerated rebuilding, potential, etc. but at the end of the day he has never stuck to a plan and he never followed through. When looking at the big picture, most of his decisions contradict one another and add another shackle and chain just as another one is finally removed.
Looking at the current roster there is nothing to get excited about, in my opinion, if you don't expect things to go absolutely perfect. Here is what would be perfect and get me excited:
- DD and Gay co-exist with both developing a consistent 3 point shot,
- Fields regains his 3pt stroke,
- Lowry returns to Houston form,
- JV is on the track to all star status,
- Bargnani finally puts it all together as he showed possible for about 18 games in 2011-12,
- Acy becomes a solid rotational player,
- veteran backup PG obtained,
- Ross becomes the 3 and D 6th man of the year candidate,
- Casey is able to return to his defensive, grind it out ways while implementing an offensive that does not rely predominantly on set shots.
I don't think everything on that list is possible with the biggest impossibility of course being Bargnani.
I was always big on getting Gay but it was with the expectation Bargnani was at or near an All-Star performer. Bargnani is not and will never be at or near an All-Star performer as a Raptor. The foundation was built on sand. The team was built around Bargnani. Bargnani was the stretch 4 who could minimize the impact of DeRozan's ineffectiveness from deep. Gay was the SF who could be the elite perimeter defender and and above average rebounder to minimize the impact of Bargnani's deficiencies. JV was the help side defense, rebounding, rolling machine to create space for and mask deficiencies of Bargnani. Lowry was the ridiculous rebounding, defensive, and punch&kick PG to once again help minimize and create for Bargnani.
Because I don't think everything will go according to the ever changing plan Colangelo has laid out over the years and for the future, I see every reason to blow it up.
This entire franchise is currently built on a foundation softer than Bargnani's waistline.
"You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"Bruno Caboclo
The Raptors possessed a very common trait among bottom feeder teams in the NBA: they played to the level of their competition and their competition played to the level of the Raptors.
"You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"Bruno Caboclo
Great post, Matt. "Couldn't have said it better myself"
Last edited by NoBan; Mon May 13th, 2013 at 02:41 PM.
So, yeah, Gay, Derozan and Lowry might get a little better but you are then expecting career years from all 3 guys. At the same time. Along with career years from JV and Amir. That's a lot to ask. Jose Bautista made a great comment going into this year about the previous year's Jays and it was something like, "if you are counting on guys who hit 10 home runs to hit 30 and guys who hit 230 to hit 300, you are in trouble". It's baseball but it applies here as well. If you are relying on guys who are 20% 3 pt shooters to shoot 35%, you are in trouble (and so on).
You can't simply expect that everyone gets better every year and plays better together and you have no injuries. The GMs and owners who sell that line are generally selling snake oil.
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