View Poll Results: Who do you think will be next GM of the Toronto Raptors?

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  • Phil Jackson

    2 4.55%
  • Masai Ujiri

    23 52.27%
  • Kevin Pritchard

    6 13.64%
  • Troy Weaver

    6 13.64%
  • David Morway

    1 2.27%
  • Ed Stefanski

    5 11.36%
  • Other (please name names)

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    Are the positions of General Manager and President different?

    Or is it 2 different ways to name/call the same position?

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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    Are the positions of General Manager and President different?

    Or is it 2 different ways to name/call the same position?
    Haha, good question, and the answer is both! PJ could be the President and defacto GM like Riley, or he could just be President and have a GM as well to more or less do his bidding. The main point though is PJ would be the one making all coaching/roster decisions, which is all that matters.

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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    Are the positions of General Manager and President different?

    Or is it 2 different ways to name/call the same position?
    Strictly speaking, I've always understood the roles to be different, though often filled by a single person.

    The GM's duties include:
    - managing coaching staff, including hiring/firing
    - roster management, such as drafting players, negotiating contracts and trading

    The President's duties include:
    - managing GM and executive staff, including hiring/firing
    - liaison between ownership and managment
    - overseeing management of all team departments, both team (GM) and organization related (senior managers from various standard corporate departments, such as HR, finance, marketing, etc...)

    In the Pat Riley role, Jackson would become the President and either also be the GM or rule over a GM. In an advisory role, he could either be the President or sit in a special role between the President in GM, so that it's his strategic direction that the GM implements.

    Of course, this is all based on assumption and conjecture, based on following far too many teams for far too long...

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    *palm to head*

    That's so confusing...

    If the president makes all of the player decisions, trade choices, etc. What would a GM under the president do? Manage supporting staff ie: coaches, training, roadtrips, hotels???

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    It's worth mentioning that some organizations have a specific title for president of basketball operations, which is going to be an overseer of the GM, but would not include some presidential oversight like finance and marketing. And in some organizations, this is described as a vice-president position. I think if you compared all the org-charts of every NBA team and the duties of each role, few would match with one another. I never really understood how the relationship between Colangelo and Stefanski was supposed to work. It should be that Stefanski as vice president of basketball operations, should be GM Colangelo's boss, but then president Colangelo is vice-president Stefanski's boss. I suspect that Stefanski doesn't have near the authority that other VPs of basketball operations have.

    I think in the case of Jackson, if he's interested in a position, you figure out how he thinks he can be of use to you, what he wants to do, what responsibilities your comfortable with him handling, and then craft a role for him, in terms of job description. The actual job title is secondary to the whole thing.

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    Another unique situation is Greg Popovich is the President and Coach of the Spurs, but RC Buford is the GM.

    And in Dallas, Mark Cuban essentially plays Owner/President and yet they have Donnie Nelson on board as GM.

    But the actual differences between the roles are generally team specific I would imagine.
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    Nelson also carries the title of VP (or president?) of basketball operations, while Buford is president of sports operations. In Buford's case that means that he does more than just handle the Spurs, but e.g. also their D-league team. I'm guessing something similar is the case for Nelson, because he owns part of their D-league team. If I'm correct.

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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    But the actual differences between the roles are generally team specific I would imagine.
    Very true. In some teams, the President plays an active role and in others the position is nominal.
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    Quote Marz wrote: View Post
    Why does everyone want the Zen Master so bad? He's a coach, and he's never been anything more. Sure, past experience does not predicate success. But no past experience is, in my opinion, usually doomed to failure. I'd like someone a little more familiar with the job than a legendary coach.
    He could always take over if his vision is not being implemented....

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The difference is Colangelo led the Nash chase while Tim Leiweke leads the Jackson chase.
    Big difference.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    He got surgery so he could have 12 digits (2 donated from Jon Stockton) for his 11 Rings
    Hahaha wow, i feel so stupid now. Didn't notice the fingers at all
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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Curses are viable to some interesting story unrelated to the Raptors.... 18 years of straight loses is a long time really will make a person believe in that kind of thing lol.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Colonel
    Blue Jays have not been in playoffs for 20 years. Are they cursed too?

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    Quote Sig wrote: View Post
    totally
    Kobe's career may be over......knowing our luck we get him and he cannot play.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    You seriously believe the team is cursed? Really? Is this 1692?
    Yes, as serious as starting a new religion called Leiwekism

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Strictly speaking, I've always understood the roles to be different, though often filled by a single person.

    The GM's duties include:
    - managing coaching staff, including hiring/firing
    - roster management, such as drafting players, negotiating contracts and trading

    The President's duties include:
    - managing GM and executive staff, including hiring/firing
    - liaison between ownership and managment
    - overseeing management of all team departments, both team (GM) and organization related (senior managers from various standard corporate departments, such as HR, finance, marketing, etc...)

    In the Pat Riley role, Jackson would become the President and either also be the GM or rule over a GM. In an advisory role, he could either be the President or sit in a special role between the President in GM, so that it's his strategic direction that the GM implements.

    Of course, this is all based on assumption and conjecture, based on following far too many teams for far too long...
    Its whatever the board decides them to be. Pat Riley is still 'President' but with the roles of GM, with the heat having no person with the GM title.

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    Just a thought, but isn't Bryan known to be both, president and GM of basketball operations?

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    Before Stefanski was brought in I believe he was President of basketball ops and GM, I believe Stefanski has the GM position now?
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    Nope, Stefanski has some sort of ludicrous VP title, something to do with basketball operations.

    BC is President and GM.

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    ESPN just put out an article on different possible landing spots for Phil Jackson. The Raptors came in as the most likely possibility:

    1. Toronto Raptors

    This has been the hot rumor, but even if it weren't, the Raptors would make a lot of sense. They have a young, talented roster, though not one that is necessarily fitted with Jacksonian-type players. Toronto's cap situation isn't the best, and that remains true even if you use the amnesty tag on Andrea Bargnani.

    However, Jackson is pals with Tim Leiweke, who was recently named CEO of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, which counts the Raptors as one of its numerous sports holdings. Leiweke is on the short list of the most powerful people in sports, and if he and Jackson want to get together, the presence of Ed Stefanski, Bryan Colangelo and Dwane Casey -- all capable people -- is not going to stand in his way.

    And not for nothing, Jackson is a huge fan of Alex McKechnie, Toronto's director of sports science. Jackson knows how valuable a capable training staff is in the NBA, and worked with McKechnie in L.A.
    The rest of the article can be found here (Insider): http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playo...t-phil-jackson

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    Damn, I wish this stuff would stop appearing. Only going to make it hurt all the more if he goes someplace else.

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