this team is a better team knowing that there a better team. everyone started to play better. lowry made some clutch shots vs the knicks and the rudy gay and amir Johnson game vs the pacers, demar and even anderson started to play well. to sum it up we need rudy gay it doesnt matter if were over paying him, he'll be the one guarding lebron in the first round of the playoffs next season.
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voted tanker but really i only want gay gone. i like demar but i wouldn't be upset if he got us into the 2014 lottery either.
on the thread title shouldn't it be whatever the worlds population is on 5? even in the entire universe there would be a finite amount of opinions.
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This thread wins and succinctly summarizes every thought I had (and many others') in the rebuild/re-tool thread, except I think we're missing some thoughts from a few more guys. Magoon, Axel, Matt all kind of sum up what my thinking has always been, but perhaps in a way that was less confusing. I'm not always great at getting my point across without adding the snarkiness that turns a reader off.
I do not think JV is untouchable. I think it might make some people upset if he were traded so it'd have to be a really fantastic deal.. but I don't see him as the future 'dominant big man' that others think (I also don't think you need a dominant big man to win anymore).
2. Jonas. In a perfect world Amir to. Although with the right deal no one is truelly untouchable.
3. Well trades technically, but thats for the express purpose of attempting to improve the Raptors opportunities in the draft.
4. First round exit
5. No. In its own twisted way, 2011/12 was my favorite season to watch in the last 6 years. If the Raptors won a game you got to see your favorite team win, when they lost a game it was all for the greater good (well I naively thought it was until Colangelo went about throwing that to the wind). It was a no lose situation as a fan.
I would argue CGRF, that a deal like that (depending on the player I would think) is also the hardest of hardcore pro-tanker dream trade.a modified Detroit trade, where young player(s) (Monroe, Drummond, Knight, KCP, etc..) and 1st round draft pick(s) are acquired, in addition to whatever expiring contracts are required to balance salaries.
1. Yes. New management, new vision. Lets try and match the players to the vision and not the other way around.
2. Nobody. If Nerlens Noel could get Jrue Holiday, what could JV get us? Then add Rudy Gay's and JV in a package and what could that potentially get us? "The world chicko and everything in it".
3. Trades, draft, free agency in that order.
4. For the upcoming season with the teams in front of us and maintaining everyone stays healthy I think our ceiling is 6th seed....in the East.
2. Jonas. IMO, he is potentially the franchise player of this team. If they focus on developing him properly and build around him properly.
3. Trades. No money, low picks.
4. First round exit. If they get lucky maybe 2nd round.
1. Do the Raptors need to start over and rebuild?
No. We've invested too much into deep contracts (DeRozan, Gay) to just give up on them and tear it down. We have a solid core of JV, Amir, Ross, Lowry and DeMar/Gay (assuming one of them is traded). I also think it would be in the best interest of the fans to not rebuild. Leiweke and Ujiri were brought in to create a winning culture. That doesn't have to be created immediately, but at the same time, there's a reason we got rid of BC.
2. What one player would you be unwilling to part with in a rebuild?
Definitely Jonas. Amir is a close second.
3. Is the next step for this team through trades, free agency or the draft?
Trades. Masai is a guru at finding holes in other teams' systems and weaseling out the most in them (see NY Knicks). Seeing as we're already over the cap and almost at the tax line, free agency is essentially cut off for 1-2 years. Masai does a great job in drafts as well, but to do great in drafts, we have to have good position. That doesn't seem likely, considering Masai has already come out and said tanking is not an option for this team. Plus, next year is tank-nation across the league.
4. What is the ceiling of the current team moving forward?
Either taking a first round series to 6 or 7 games, or a second round berth.
5. Would you be less inclined to watch a Raptors team next year that is rebuilding, again?
I watch the games anyways, so I wouldn't mind. Winning always feels better though.
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Around #200 or so in this thread we were talking about Cleveland being in a better position than Toronto. They had done a proper rebuild by acquiring draft picks, tons of young players, and all the while maintaining strong cap flexibility.
Many people thought eww eww Cleveland is just as bad as we are and could be years away from being competitive.
Well, fast forward just 2 months later and we're witnessing the fruits of that flexibility. Earl Clark, Jarrett Jack, and now Andrew Bynum, to say nothing of 4 players in the draft. I'm not going to pass judgment on whether or not I agree with the moves specifically (personally not a huge fan of any of those players) but look what they've been able to do in the past few weeks makes me wish Toronto will get there one day as well, in terms of the flexibility.
I think Masai is working towards it but there's just too much bloat leftover from Colangelo's reign of terror. Hopefully, we'll get there soon.
Fruits! Jack, Clark, Andrew my-knees-can't-hold-up-to-bowling Bynum! Wow! Damn BC!
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