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    Not a lot of happy campers in Raptorland but I think the one thing everyone basically agrees with is the current Raptor team with just minor tweaks has a low ceiling and requires a lot of "IF's" to make the playoffs - let alone go beyond the first round.

    So whether you want the team to stay as is, blow it up, or make a trade give YOUR list of "IF's" that would make you excited for next season.
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    I will be excited about next season "IF" .....

    • a legit starting power forward is obtained
    • current Raptors can at least become or return to average 3pt shooters (DD, Ross, Fields, Gay) and any new wing is a proficient 3pt shooter
    • a good backup PG is obtained
    • Bargnani is traded and actually returns something useful such as a pick (ha!) or an expiring cotnract
    • JV continues on his developmental pace of this previous season
    • Colangelo is replaced
    • Casey is replaced or if he returns to defensive prowess of year 1 while changing his offensive schemes/philosophy




    Maybe this should be a Christmas list?
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    IF Rudy and DeMar are consistent, IF internal improvements are made (DeRozan, Ross, Valanciunas, Acy), and IF the team trades Bargnani for a big named power forward (Love, Millsap), they're easily a playoff team.

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    IF the Raps get a quality vet-filled bench
    IF a particular gentleman is traded
    IF a particular gentleman is fired

    The Raps will take a small, but real step towards respectability.

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    If we could make the Bargnani and Fields contracts disappear.
    If DeMar and Gay could play like they were worth their contracts
    If we could land a Paul Milsap

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    IF I never hear Leo Rautin's over a Raptor game again.

    IF JLIII and Telfair are not the primary backups for next year, and a true back up is acquired.

    IF Bryan Colangelo is replaced. Khan is available right? (sarcasm.)

    IF The Demar and Rudy become more consistent perimeter threats, while Ross and Fields can be solid backups for next year.

    IF Lowry can be healthy.

    That is pretty much it. I want to watch Demar and Rudy get better together (though I am far from confident in this), I want to see Lowry healthy and with a respectable backup, BC gone, and just general shooting improvement.

    I just dont think this team has the foundation to be good. Unless there are major changes, I do not expect this team to be good. I do have optimism in regards to Demar, Rudy, and Lowry, and that is what I really want to see next season. Hopefully Rudy can figure his eye issues out, Demar can improve, and Lowry get back to normal and I think we could have an entertaining team. They have the potential to make this team exciting.

    Not to mention JV should take big steps next year, and hopefully Ross might too.

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    I am already excited for next year ... always excited for Raptors ball. But there are IF's that would be even better.

    1. IF the Raps can bring in a deadeye 3 point shooter like Reddick, Korver, Dunleavy, etc. Raptors won the Atlantic with AP, Bargs, Garbo, Jose, etc - dropping 3's ... it's exciting ball to watch.

    2. IF we keep Bargnani. I'm adding this as a change because common sentiment has him leaving. Not easy to defend myself, but I just love watching him breakdown defenders, and I think he could be a 6th man candidate averaging 16+ PPG.

    3. IF we traded for Ridnour. Honestly Jose is my dream backup PG, but I admit thay ship has sailed. Luke has a similar game, experience, and ability to can 3's. I'm not sure how ... a Fields trade, maybe? Not my job!

    There!

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    Demar/Ross
    Rudy/Korver/AA
    Amir/Bargs/Acy
    Jonas/Gray
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    IF we could hit the FastForward button on the remote control from Adam Sandler's movie "Click", we could skip this season and lose every single game -- and IF we win the lottery, this franchise gets me excited.
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    I will just mention the obvious ones : fix Fields,off Bargnani, replace or get offensive coach to help Casey,Valanciunas continuous to improve.
    IF Gay becomes more consistent - I don't require his 3pt shooting so much - just be more efficient.
    IF Ross developes...at least a little bit.
    If Derozan adds something to his game - passing,rebounding, defense....ANYTHING

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    IF... this team makes the playoffs and are setup for the long-term with an improved young core

    IF... coaching priorities return to instilling fundamental values (ie: defense, ball movement, team play)

    IF... Valanciunas & Ross take significant steps forward in their individual development

    IF... Gay's eye surgery and training camp return him to 2nd-tier star status and an all-star appearance

    IF... Fields returns to his rookie season form and can improve from there, becoming a 3pt shooting glue-guy along the lines of AP, Garbo and Mo-P

    IF... Kleiza, Anderson and Lucas never wear a Raptors jersey ever again (death to me-first hero ball)

    IF... Bargnani is traded to give us all a fresh start

    IF... a young stud starting PF is acquired via trade, for Bargnani and/or DeRozan (ie: Love or Millsap)

    IF... a veteran pass-first PG is acquired via trade/free agency to run the 2nd unit (ie: Calderon or Ridnour)

    IF... via on-court performance more than off-court drama, this franchise can return to NBA relevancy

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    If ... feeding the ball into Valanciunas in the post or via pick-and-roll becomes a significant part of the offense.
    If ... their offence actually uses the corner 3 as part of its system. They've got guys who seem like they can hit that shot reliably, but they rarely look for it.
    If ... they're able to play decent perimeter defence.
    If ... the backup unit consists of a pass-first PG and scrappy guys who work their asses off and no chuckers. (Could be Ross, Acy, Fields, young backup C, and smart veteran PG, but an upgrade on Acy would be even better).
    If ... the starters avoid injury woes and are able to really build chemistry over training camp and the first 20 or so games.
    If ... the schedule makers don't front-load our season with west conference road games.

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    Quote octothorp wrote: View Post
    If ... feeding the ball into Valanciunas in the post or via pick-and-roll becomes a significant part of the offense.
    If ... their offence actually uses the corner 3 as part of its system. They've got guys who seem like they can hit that shot reliably, but they rarely look for it.
    If ... they're able to play decent perimeter defence.
    If ... the backup unit consists of a pass-first PG and scrappy guys who work their asses off and no chuckers. (Could be Ross, Acy, Fields, young backup C, and smart veteran PG, but an upgrade on Acy would be even better).
    If ... the starters avoid injury woes and are able to really build chemistry over training camp and the first 20 or so games.
    If ... the schedule makers don't front-load our season with west conference road games.

    That is a great point. The only difference in Casey's sets for DeRozan and Ross is Ross comes off the screens behind the 3 point line. Put some ball/player movement in there and get some open looks in the corner with an extra pass.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That is a great point. The only difference in Casey's sets for DeRozan and Ross is Ross comes off the screens behind the 3 point line. Put some ball/player movement in there and get some open looks in the corner with an extra pass.
    Drive and kick would really help this corner-3 problem...Lowry's ability to penetrate could solve a little bit of it.

    Too many times I've seen Rudy dribble into that 15-20 foot range and then just jack up a stupid shot. I went to one of the last games of the season, when they played the Bulls. I swear he must've done it 6-8 times. Same thing with DeMar.

    They definitely have the athletic ability to drive more efficiently and get deeper into the defense IMO. Position Ross in the corner, and a lot more opportunities can be created.
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    Drive and kick would really help this corner-3 problem...Lowry's ability to penetrate could solve a little bit of it.

    Too many times I've seen Rudy dribble into that 15-20 foot range and then just jack up a stupid shot. I went to one of the last games of the season, when they played the Bulls. I swear he must've done it 6-8 times. Same thing with DeMar.

    They definitely have the athletic ability to drive more efficiently and get deeper into the defense IMO. Position Ross in the corner, and a lot more opportunities can be created.
    A big part of that is everyone else is standing and watching. Setting up an ISO is good in certain situations but teh other 4 guys can't become spectators as well. Same idea as running Ross off screens for a three or DD off screens for a long 2, the other guys are left standing.

    I wholeheartedly agree you need some punch and kick. As well, hopefully JV becoming a threat on the block (or someone) allows for a kick out and the extra pass for the wide open three.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I will be excited about next season "IF" .....

    • a legit starting power forward is obtained
    • current Raptors can at least become or return to average 3pt shooters (DD, Ross, Fields, Gay) and any new wing is a proficient 3pt shooter
    • a good backup PG is obtained
    • Bargnani is traded and actually returns something useful such as a pick (ha!) or an expiring cotnract
    • JV continues on his developmental pace of this previous season
    • Colangelo is replaced
    • Casey is replaced or if he returns to defensive prowess of year 1 while changing his offensive schemes/philosophy
    In agreement. My fear is we have another horrible start to season like last years 4-19. We always choke on December west cost trip and that screws us for the whole season.

    IF we can be .500 by jan 1 I will be extremely thrilled.
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    If we swapped rosters with the Bulls. Then we would be in the 5th seed next year and Bulls fans could have this conversation right. lol, most of you guys will be disappointed next year - no doubt about it. Still hoping and wishing and praying for individual improvements or additions of "better" players that will no doubt fix how we play. It would be nice to have five all-stars in the starting lineup tho, so I will cross my fingers that next season Demar can shoot the three, Rudy can see, both can pass, JV becomes the most dominant big man in the game, we somehow turn Bargs into an all star PF via internal organic growth or a trade, and Lowry regains his "walking triple double form" (lol, i know, but that phrase has been used somewhere on this forum). And no need to worry about defense, because we will average 125+ points a game. Sweet Lord, this must be what it feels like to be a Leafs fan.

    I'm just gonna be realistic. IF the team commits to a system, and plays like they believe they can win, then I will be a happy Raptor fan regardless of the outcome. Well, maybe thats no more realistic than what the rest of you are hoping for, but certainly more achievable.

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    In agreement. My fear is we have another horrible start to season like last years 4-19. We always choke on December west cost trip and that screws us for the whole season.

    IF we can be .500 by jan 1 I will be extremely thrilled.
    One reason for optimism is there will not be another 23 games of Andrea "Come Hell or Highwater" Bargnani.

    I wonder how many games the Raptors coulda/shoulda/woulda won during the beginning of the season if Casey was not hell bent on riding the Italian Stallion.

    I say this without hate or malice. I challenge anyone to find me a stat that shows Bargnani contributed to winning in any way shape or form other than his opponent shooting 35% within 5 feet of the basket on 21.9% of the possessions.
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    I'll sadly be excited for the season even if the team makes 0 changes.

    I'd be thrilled if:
    if Fields learned how to shoot,
    if Gay's poor shooting % was because of his eyesight,
    if Demar continued to grow,
    if JV got heavy minutes and produced like we want him to,
    if Ross took the steps to become a legit '3 and D' winger,
    if Amir found another level of his development,
    if Lowry was healthy in mind and body,
    if Bargnani played well in any aspect of the game of basketball before being traded,
    if we didn't get screwed once all year by the refs.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Not a lot of happy campers in Raptorland but I think the one thing everyone basically agrees with is the current Raptor team with just minor tweaks has a low ceiling and requires a lot of "IF's" to make the playoffs - let alone go beyond the first round.

    So whether you want the team to stay as is, blow it up, or make a trade give YOUR list of "IF's" that would make you excited for next season.
    I believe the current roster is good enough to make the playoffs next year. Having said that,

    I will be excited IF the Raptors compete for a playoff spot, whether they make it or not.

    I will be more optimistic IF the Raptors can land a decent backup PG.

    I will be excited IF TheSpinDoctor does not sign or extend any player at more than fair value.

    I will be excited IF I can chart 40 games next year. The Raptors have a non-standard line-up and I want to add that data to my database.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    One reason for optimism is there will not be another 23 games of Andrea "Come Hell or Highwater" Bargnani.

    I wonder how many games the Raptors coulda/shoulda/woulda won during the beginning of the season if Casey was not hell bent on riding the Italian Stallion.

    I say this without hate or malice. I challenge anyone to find me a stat that shows Bargnani contributed to winning in any way shape or form other than his opponent shooting 35% within 5 feet of the basket on 21.9% of the possessions.
    I also hope that the improved roster (which will hopefully be further improved this offseason) results in no meaningful playing time for sub-par players like:
    - McGuire (15 games x 15 MPG)
    - Pietrus (19 games x 20 MPG)
    - Kleiza (20 games x 19 MPG)
    - Telfair (13 games x 14 MPG)
    - Lucas (63 games x 13 MPG)

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