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    i think a little blurb on raptors specific situation can help. all calculations done from cbafaq.com and reported numbers on the interwebs.

    new source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...#payroll::none

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    Player		Cap Hit		2013-14		Signed Using
    Rudy Gay*	$16,460,538	$17,888,931	Bird Rights
    Bargnani*	$10,000,000	$10,750,000	Bird Rights
    Landry Fields*	$6,250,000	$6,250,000	Cap Room
    Amir Johnson*	$6,000,000	$6,500,000	Bird Rights
    Kyle Lowry*	$5,750,000	$6,210,000	Bird Rights
    Linas Kleiza*	$4,600,000	$4,600,000	MLE
    Valanciunas*	$3,374,640	$3,526,440	1st Round Pick
    DeMar DeRozan*	$3,344,250	$9,500,000	1st Round Pick
    Aaron Gray*	$2,575,000	$2,690,875	Room Exception
    Terrence Ross*	$2,563,320	$2,678,640	1st Round Pick
    Telfair*	$1,567,500			MLE
    John Lucas*	$1,500,000	$1,567,500	Cap Space
    Alan Anderson*	$854,389			Minimum Salary
    Pietrus*	$698,589			Minimum Salary
    Quincy Acy*	$665,000	$788,872	Cap Space
    Dominic McGuire	$992,680		
    Team Totals	$67,195,906	$72,951,258
    Since 2012 going into 2013,
    Rudy Gay's salary increased $1.42 million.
    Bargs increased $750,000
    Lowry increased $460,000
    Derozan's new contract increased +$6.15 million

    Which effectively puts us over the luxury tax by $2.65 million.

    NBA Salary Cap (2012)
    $58 044 000

    NBA Luxury Tax Level (2012)
    $70 307 000

    Free Agent Exceptions
    Non-tax MLE/Bi-annual can sign $1.35 million contract, the difference between our current tax level and the tax apron ($4 million above tax level). Their normal amounts are $5.15/$2.01 million respectively. Though this puts a hardcap on us.
    Taxed MLE can sign $3.18 million contract.
    And minimum salary contracts.

    Traded Exceptions
    Over-tax trade exception is 125% of outgoing salary + $100,000. So we could get back a maximum of $13.85 million in a Bargs trade scenario. Though that is highly unlikely ...

    Amnesty
    Raptors can amnesty one player and their salary effectively disappears. Though this players gets put on waivers along with their salary for which Raptors are responsible for, all remaining contract years included. Other teams can claim the player with any bid, the Raptors will have to pay the difference. We can amnesty Bargs but then we miss out on $13.85 million in potential incoming talent from trades as above, and be responsible for the $22 million remaining on this contract minus the another team's bid (... if another team picks him up).

    Kleiza ($4 600 000) is the best option to amnesty as there are no remaining years on his contract. Amnestying Kleiza would drop us under the tax level by $1.9 million and allow us to use the full $5.15 million non-tax MLE (but again, hardcap would be in effect afterwards).

    Free Agents
    Gray ($2 690 875) and Kleiza ($4 600 000) already exercised their options. Lowry ($6 210 000) and Lucas ($1 567 500) still not re-signed.

    In Conclusion
    Raptors management have a complicated job ahead of them. They have to sign 4 new contracts. Another 4 are on the hook (Lowry, Lucas, Bargs, Kleiza), though probably only 3 of them will disappear. There might be some more unexpected movies, so at minimum there will probably be 7 new signings for the Raptors, with upto$13 million available through a Bargs trade, or ~$3 million through MLE.

    Reminder these numbers are based on 2012 cap and tax numbers, and may change +/- $1-2 million this year, if they don't stay the same. Also feel free to point out any errors, the CBA is complicated as fuck
    Last edited by phez; Tue Jun 4th, 2013 at 10:43 AM.

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    Cap doesn't look like its going to change by much:



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    Quote phez wrote: View Post
    i think a little blurb on raptors specific situation can help. all calculations done from cbafaq.com and reported numbers on the interwebs.

    Code:
    Rudy Gay		$17,888,932
    Andrea Bargnani		$11,000,000
    DeMar DeRozan		$9,500,000
    Amir Johnson		$6,500,000
    Kyle Lowry		$6,210,000
    Landry Fields		$5,225,000
    Linas Kleiza		$4,600,000
    Jonas Valanciunas	$3,526,440
    Terrence Ross		$2,678,640
    Aaron Gray		$2,612,500
    Sebastian Telfair	$0
    John Lucas		$1,567,500
    Mickael Pietrus		$0
    Dominic McGuire		$0
    Alan Anderson		$0
    Quincy Acy		$788,872
    TOTALS:	$65,887,884
    Raptors Current Salary
    $65 887 884

    NBA Salary Cap (2012)
    $58 044 000

    NBA Luxury Tax Level (2012)
    $70 307 000

    Raptors
    $4 419 116 below tax
    $7 843 884 above salary cap

    Free Agent Exceptions
    Raptors can use $8 419 116 in exception space ($4 million tax apron + current distance to tax) with MLE/Biannual to sign new players.

    Traded Exceptions
    For Bargs $11 000 000 reported salary, the raptors can get back upto $15 419 116 in salary (bargs salary + distance to tax level). There is an upper salary + $5 000 000 limit on this exception however that only applies if you remain below the tax level after the trade.

    If Raptors make any other trades or exception signings prior to moving Bargs, the incoming salary drops accordingly until the tax limit (Raptors have $4 419 116 tax space to use). There is a final after-trade limit of $13 875 000 incoming salaries (bargs + 1.25% + $100 000) if they go past the tax limit.

    Amnesty
    Raptors can amnesty one player and their salary effectively disappears. Though this players gets put on waivers along with their salary for which Raptors are responsible for, all remaining contract years included. Other teams can claim the player with any bid, the Raptors will have to pay the difference. We can amnesty Bargs but then we miss out on $13 000 000 - $15 000 000 on potential incoming talent from trades as above, and be responsible for the $23 million remaining on this contract minus the another team's bid (... if another team picks him up). Kleiza ($4 600 000) is the best option to amnesty as there are no remaining years on his contract. Amnestying Kleiza would increase free agent space signing space to $13 019 116.

    Free Agents
    Gray ($2 690 875) and Kleiza ($4 600 000) already exercised their options. Lowry ($6 210 000) and Lucas ($1 567 500) still not re-signed.

    In Conclusion
    Raptors management have a complicated job ahead of them. They have to sign 4 new contracts. Another 4 are on the hook (Lowry, Lucas, Bargs, Kleiza), though probably only 3 of them will disappear. There might be some more unexpected movies, so at minimum there will probably be 7 new signings for the Raptors, with approximately $13 - $15 million in space to use (included $4 million over-tax spending).

    Reminder these numbers are based on 2012 cap and tax numbers, and may change +/- $1-2 million this year, if they don't stay the same. Also feel free to point out any errors, the CBA is complicated as fuck
    The first bold is incorrect. The types of exceptions include:
    MLE ($5M/4 years)
    mini-MLE ($9M/3 yeras)
    trade exceptions (varies)
    top up exception ($2.5M only for teams under cap - it is how the Raps signed Aaron Gray)
    minimum contracts
    *injury exceptions*

    If you use the full MLE in any given year, you cannot exceed the $74M apron. If you do not use the full there is no apron. If after the use of the full you end up beyond $74M, you cannot use it and have to use the mini-MLE.



    With Bargnani, to get a trade exception, you need to find a team willing to take him on for their cap space and willing to pay him the full balance of his contract. I am not optimistic on that front.
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    - I believe Feilds is payed 5.2 mil, but for cap purposes Fields is owed 6.25 mil (the average of his salary over 3 years). If he is traded however the team he is trade to will be responsibile for 5.2 mil and then 8.25 the next season.
    - the addition is wrong. Raptors salary is approx 72 mil
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    Kleiza ($4 600 000) is the best option to amnesty as there are no remaining years on his contract. Amnestying Kleiza would increase free agent space signing space to $13 019 116.
    an amnesty of Kleiza won't free up that much space. The Raps are only left with exceptions (see Matt52's post) and league minimums.

    as for his contract being the 'best' to amnesty - from a pure cost perspective this is true. From a pure salary cap perspective it is the worst to amnesty. From a value or potential trade perspective, its anyone's opinion.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The first bold is incorrect. The types of exceptions include:
    MLE ($5M/4 years)
    mini-MLE ($9M/3 yeras)
    trade exceptions (varies)
    top up exception ($2.5M only for teams under cap - it is how the Raps signed Aaron Gray)
    minimum contracts
    *injury exceptions*

    If you use the full MLE in any given year, you cannot exceed the $74M apron. If you do not use the full there is no apron. If after the use of the full you end up beyond $74M, you cannot use it and have to use the mini-MLE.



    With Bargnani, to get a trade exception, you need to find a team willing to take him on for their cap space and willing to pay him the full balance of his contract. I am not optimistic on that front.
    when was the last time raps used mle? i put full because i dont recall them using it in recent memory.

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    Man Fields and Bargnani have gotta go.

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    Quote phez wrote: View Post
    when was the last time raps used mle? i put full because i dont recall them using it in recent memory.
    Did not use it last year as they had cap space.

    2011 - none

    2010 - Kleiza

    2009 - Jack

    2008 - ?

    2007 - Kapono
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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Man Fields and Bargnani have gotta go.
    I find it hard to believe that Fields can't be useful. Don't get me wrong, he was the wrong signing at the time, and it wouldn't break my heart to see him go, but given the right situation I think he can bring something in a bench role. He does have to straighten out his shot, though, because without it he's essentially useless (don't care how much 'glue' he purports to bring).

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    Bargs for Ben Gordon (13 Mil expiring)
    Amnesty Kleiza.

    Where does that leave us for the 2014 off season? Someone with better knowledge of the Cap situation help me out!
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    raps management have two options

    load up this year on "second tier" all stars. there's still a lot of good free agents this year but none that are truly superstar level.
    and of course the second option, blow up the team to create cap space for 2014 when many of the league's real superstars go on the market.

    the problem with the second option is the problem toronto has had for a long time - that many of those superstars are already on notable/prominent/famous teams and will probably stay with them, or pick another over toronto (see Nash). so ie the risky option.

    ps corrected the mle number.

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    updated with some more sensible numbers from bref.com

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