Matt Devlin has to go! I haven't gotten over Chuck leaving.
Matt Devlin has to go! I haven't gotten over Chuck leaving.
Anyone watching the Pacers/Miami game? I bet they wouldn't mind to have been able to play a guy like Granger in a game like tonight. My point being unless you got a super-star who can lift a team through anything with his scoring it's nice to have more guys on your roster who can provide points when your "star" guy is having a rough night.
Rudy + Demar = Durant but Rudy by himself = not Durant.
Lowry isn't going to be elite unless he's surrounded by other elite players, JV is probably an 18 and 11 guy when he reaches his full potential. That being said if we are to trade DD it can't be for a 13ppg and 8 rbpg version of Pau Gasol it would not drastically improve our roster. By the time JV reaches max potential already Pau is on his way out of the league.
We won't land Parker, Paul or Rondo unless we're already a championship team. We can try but if do what's next? We'll have traded all our good players to get any of those guys.
So unless we have one of the best scorers in the league on our team we should assemble a team that can all pull their own. Some nights Rudy's got it, some nights it's Demar and some nights Lowry and some nights JV has it (when he improves) but we can't act like any of those guys can win games for Toronto all on their own.
I mean, they can attempt to improve the starting roster but fact of the matter is our bench is still going to be fucking garbage. Depth is what the team needs. Not a star studded front line-up.
God, I hope I wasn't just rambling through all of that, it's hard to judge your entire post when you have to scroll up and down to read it all lol
I'm gonna get some flak for that "Rudy + Demar = Durant" comment. You get what i'm saying though, those two combined = the talent of one super star. Divided they don't.
Not sure if anyone here has mentioned this. But i wonder if the new GM will bring Casey back? or will get his own coach??
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better get his own coach
plus demar and rudy still cant shoot threes like durant when combined lol
lieweke talked a bit about finding who we are as a team and casey failed to do that this year
If Derozan can't shoot three's next season then then fuck him but he has vowed to improve on that this off season.
This team is an athletic team, but the offence was soooo slow this season, you gotta work with what you got and that's not the type of game players like Lowry, DD, Gay, JV and Ross play. Those guys can run and fly high.
Tidy up the bench, see what this team can do playing faster paced offence. Combined with better overall three-point shooting as a team.
If it doesn't work, trade guys and call me an idiot.
Everyone except JV, Amir and Ross should go.
Amesty Bargs, trade DD for hopefully a mid 1st rounder (I think that is do-able), take back a horrible contract for Rudy Gay (Ben Gordon anyone?), trade Lowry for another mid 1st rounder (12th? lol).
Fields is un-tradeable.
Start JV, Amir, Fields, Gordon and Lucas. Tank for 2014.
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I put everyone but Ross and JV. Although I regret putting Acy now because I don't think anyone wants him. He makes so little that he probably won't even be included as a throw-in. But I think given TL's statement, every player is fair game.
Who will go is very different than who should go. I think the team will struggle to make moves because the pieces they should move are going to be very difficult to move.
I think they will ultimately move Amir (high value now after really good year), Lowry (contract year and talented player), DD (only because they can't trade Gay or Fields and they need to move some wingers) and Bargnani (for peanuts). They will keep JV and T-Ross to build around and hope and pray that Gay can live up to his contract (well he can't but if he can even make it close) and that Fields can provide anything other than average defence.
"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until your good is better and your better is best." - Tim Duncan
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If they plan on keeping Gay as a centerpiece alongside T Ross and JV which Im fine with you gotta keep Lowry around even if he becomes bench PG behind someone else. Lowry is a reasonable dude he will most likely resign for a decent rate hes playing with his buddies.
Jonas is the one name that says "Core piece to a championship team".
So, based on the timeline of reaching the playoffs in the next 2-3 years ... then contending in 3-5 years ... I put a few others from our current roster on the list with him.
T-Ross - has shown elite shooting ability, freak athleticism, and has a chance to be a special defender.
Amir - whether he brings his game up to become an unquestioned starter, he would at least be a gem as a bench big for many years. Hustle, energy, toughness, and a soft touch.
Landry Fields (yes, THAT Landry) - with a presumption of his shooting touch returning after nerve surgery in the elbow, Landry already has other qualities that make him valuable: lockdown defence, high basketball IQ, great at making hard cuts to the rim without the ball.
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I completely agree with Dino4life, we need to see what we have before we start giving away assets for picks and spare parts. This current core (JV, Amir, DD, Gay, Lowry, Ross and Fields) need a season to display what they have. If someone comes in and shakes things up I would be disappointed that I never got to see what this core brings to the table. I would also keep Bargs until the trade deadline, see if he fits in anywhere. The problem is that we haven't seen this core at its best yet, and I feel because of our impatient fan bace we never will. And that really sucks!
I know some people will hammer me for the Bargs comment.
I also agree with Mr.Z
I am indifferent when it comes to the bench, would like to see AA kept otherwise the other pieces can be shipped. Min contracts and mle spent on (Vets and a couple euros) backup pg and pf.
Last edited by Canmanxl; Mon May 27th, 2013 at 12:37 PM.
The longer this dispute goes on and likely new GM I see Terrence Ross getting his chance very soon, probably in a season or so.
T-Ross has to learn some Post moves though there are plenty of 2 guards not nearly as long or tall as he is, though Ross is very skinny not sure if it will be as effective as when DeMar operates a Post play.
As for the topic of this thread... Leiweke has clearly said he does not think this roster, as-is, is one piece away so people asking to see this through are either naive or delusional; maybe both. DD+AB for Gasol, then amnesty Kleiza may look rational, as it would free up a lot of cap space after this season... but it is not enough according to boss, and that's fine with me.
Personally, I would be OK blowing this thing apart completely, keeping only JV and assembling as many draft picks as possible for the upcoming 2014 draft; perhaps, even further down the road. My only hope would be to see a competent team of GM, coach, scouts lay out a plan for the next 4-5 years and sticking with it!
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