It sucks for Toronto and Cleveland that they were the guinea pigs for something that had never been done before - players leaving money on the table to play with one another.
"You donít know the Bruno Caboclo......"Bruno Caboclo
Not to diminish how Ujiri handled the Melo melodrama because he in the end he was not swayed by the threat that Melo wanted only to go to the Knicks. I wanted at the time so much that the Nets get him because he would have to have signed on or lost a considerable amount in a straight f/a deal (I dont care for Melo). Ujiri milked the Nets interest totally because there was more than just getting a superstar for the Nets...Prokhorov was trying to upstage Dolan for attention in NYC and he wanted a big name for the Barclays Centre. Dolan of course wanted to show he had a larger bulge in his pants. Ujiri lucked into getting more than he would have otherwise got....but well played he certainly did.
The way I see it is that BC was tried and he failed while Ujiri is untried and hopefully succeeds. Not to take anything away from Chislom but Ujiri's managerial decisions which he quotes as reasons(anti BC) why Raps. are pursuing him is not true. The simple truth is that a 'head hunting Firm' that the Raptors hired identified him as the best AVAILABLE candidate.
IMO they're both good. The MAIN difference was in how they dealt with Superstars of their respective teams. Ujiri situation was CLEAR wherein C Anthony was whining to be traded out while BC's situation was UNCLEAR with Bosh making many believe that he was going to stay when he really had other intentions. This is not to make excuses for BC but like Anthony if Bosh too had expressed his desire to be traded, things would be quite different in Raptorland.
Attitude Is A Choice.
1) Ujiri had the benefit of seeing what happened to bosh (as well as James), so his decision was informed by it (them).
2) We have seen teams wanting to trade for an all-star even though said all-star is not willing to give them a guarantee that hey will resign (Nets w/ 'Melo, Lakers w/Dwight) I think there are enough teams that believe they could convince bosh to stay, that had Coangelo put him on the table, he would have had more than one suitor. Unfortunately, the idea that you can convince an all-star to stay once you have him in your org, is the same mentality that Coangelo had, and thus tried to keep him.
3) In my books Coangelo doesn't lose points for not trading bosh before the deadline (although in hindsight that is almost certainly the better decision. What he does lose points for is building a team so poorly that bosh was willing to leave, trading draft picks away, and missing on EVERY home run he tried. Plus holding onto Andrea for about 3 years (AND COUNTING!) too long...
4) If the article was just about the Melo trade, than I'd call it an unfair as one (IMO) was CLEARLY influenced by the other. However, their was more to it than that. Sure calling him the anti-Coangelo is a touch hyperbolic, but I do think that he does a good job in pointing out that Ujiri may be a more moneyball gm than Coangelo, and a journalist without hyperbole is like a fish without water.
5) If your not getting a guy like Phil Jackson, then I'm all for Ujiri
"They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014
"I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015
"We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon
At this point, I don't care how they are different, as long as they are.
I do think that the BC-Bosh burn changed the NBA landscape. If that doesn't happen then perhaps neither Melo or Deron get traded. It turned out as it often does, the team with the best info got to make the better decision. They got to learn from the mistakes (in hindsight) of BC and Ferry.
The biggest thing in the Chisholm article that gives me optimism is the 3 point shooting roster of Denver vs BC's Raptors where none of the big additions (Gay, Fields, and even Lowry to some extent) can shoot the 3 consistently. Having a GM who is on top of the current trends and maxifying the roster is what we need more than anything.
#provem - by playing well on the court. Don't worry about the twitterverse
I think Ujiri's haul for Melo is even more impressive because Melo said he only wanted to play in NY. It's like getting a player to fold who has four of a kind.
All this love for Masai is getting me curious as to what was the general feeling or what was said on this forum when we hired Colangelo.
As for Ujiri, it's hard not to be positive when the guy who just put together a 57-win Denver team and won EOY is in line to be the new GM. I'm pretty cynical but it's still baffling to me that anyone can actually be down on this hire (if it happens).
Attitude Is A Choice.
Also, for me personally I would want a GM that wants to rebuild the roster through the draft. Keep JV, move large contracts for picks and young talent and start fresh. But, the instant gratification of trying to compete with the current roster would be satisfying as well. I just don't know if the ceiling is that high for this roster even with a tweak here and there.
Am I the only one more in favour of the Kevin Pritchard/Troy Weaver combo over Ujiri? Not to diss MU because he did turn lead into gold with that Melo trade, but the KP has a longer CV and Weaver is coming from a very strong front office with OKC that has been moulded in the school of RC Buford and the Spurs.
There's pros and cons of course, but I am a little leery of Ujiri because his pedigree is straight Colangelo. it may not be valid but with BC still in the fold you gotta think he'll have some kinda pipeline to MU.
LET'S GO RAP-TORS!!!!!
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