Cavs would have to add more to the deal
I think Ben McLemore is a better fit to play alongside KL, & DD. We desperately need perimeter shooting. Taking Noel, and losing him for half the season, would definitely help the team secure a higher pick in next year's draft.
I would totally trade Gay for #1 straight up.
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But the 2nd bold, no team is this league will get a player 'like Gay' if they are middling teams that don't draft well, rarely have cap space, and rarely have assets worth trading for (or they can't afford to give up - or overvalue for that matter). There have been plenty of opportunities for the Raps to have got their hands on Gay calibre players (and better), just not with Colangelo running the franchise the way he did.
Trading the first pick is an option partly because there are concerns whether Thompson and Noel would create serious spacing issues on offense (their defense would be great though). I tend to agree for the 2013-14 season but I am not betting against Thompson developing range this upcoming season. He unveiled a right-handed jump shot in the last 5 games and his form was not bad, and that less than 50 games after he unveiled a push shot. He will be very difficult to guard if he can develop range up to 15 feet because he has the handle and the speed to blow by big men guarding him to close.
While Noel has no offensive game at this time, I believe he is the best player in the draft and we do need to address the center position long-term.
Trading down to pick Otto would be ideal because Otto looks like a great fit in Cleveland. Trading down to select Len would work also.
Last edited by Hugmenot; Thu May 30th, 2013 at 09:49 AM.
I still think there's basically no way it makes sense for either Toronto or Cleveland to deal directly with each other about the #1 pick....But I am curious to see where Cleveland takes discussions with other teams, as I'd love for the Raps to get in as a 3rd team, and possibly even unload Bargnani somewhere.
My original thought, as I repost the idea, was something like this when I saw Cousins name
Toronto gets: T. Thompson and J. Salmons
Cleveland gets: Cousins *(and maybe Sacto's #7 pick?)
Sacto gets: #1 pick and Bargnani
I don't know if Cleveland gives up Thompson....but I figure there's a fair chance if they trade for a big, even with the #1 pick going out. I also imagine if Sacto includes their 1st rd pick going to Cleveland as well (7th pick), then this really might have a chance.
Last edited by white men can't jump; Thu May 30th, 2013 at 10:16 AM.
Why are the Cavs serious being discussed this forum? Who cares!
Kinda funny this comes up; if we go for Otto Porter, there are some similarities between the two. Share the same jersey number too.
Watch the first part of this video, especially the three from 0:05 to 0:08, and tell me his play doesn't look exactly like Rudy:
Not exactly the same. Porter's shot went in!
There's math, and everything else is debatable.
Matt, Why do you feel the need to swear when someone points out something contrary to what you wrote? It's twice in the past week.
Also, why do you keep posting here if you truly believe it does not matter what fans want? Wouldn't be just an exercise in futility?
May be unrelated why is there an uprise of so many players wanting #22 ?? Wiggins is also #22 come on kids pick a number to make your own. DeMar picked 10 love that.
Why do people discuss politics yet never vote? Beats the hell out of me. As to why I post, finding people with common interests and sharing ideas is why I come here. Your attempt to discredit or belittle is noted but I guess it comes with the territory when one is as active and opinionated on this forum as I am. It is a big reason why I voluntarily stopped moderating.
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I wouldn't trade Gay for the #1 pick in this years draft straight up. I'm running through the list of the candidates to go first in this years draft and I don't see anyone that can replace what Gay gives you. It would also make DeMar the first scoring option and God help us if that happens. Not to mention that Gay's contract will be coveted by many teams, so good trade possibilites might be out there for the Raptors.
Last edited by white men can't jump; Thu May 30th, 2013 at 12:42 PM.
Gay's contract if far more valuable in extracting assets than getting below cap. I don't see Toronto being a stop for any high profile FA unless the team is willing to pay Rudy Gay money.
Why are some people referring to the proposed trade of Gay and the #1 pick as "straight up", when that could never happen given Gay's salary. The proposed trade would only work if the #1 pick is packaged with other players.
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