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    Default Andrei Kirilenko, Andre Igoudala wing tandem anyone?

    If we aren't blowing it up I'd like to see both of these guys suit up

    Andrei Kirilenko (4 years 32 million)

    Wolves' forward Andrei Kirilenko, who has to decide by the end of the month if he'll opt-in to a $10 million contract for the 2013-14 season, to a Russian reporter this week: "So far nothing has been decided, before the first of July is the time. Let us think. For me, not that good, it's just a one-year (contract with the Wolves). And after a year I have to again decide what's what, I would certainly prefer in this situation have a full contract and did not think about my future." 1500 ESPN
    Andre Igoudala (4 years 40 million)

    The Nuggets have to re-sign forward Andre Iguodala, for example, a free agent this summer. Asked Thursday how Karl’s ouster would affect his decision, Iguodala texted, “Good question. Need some time to let it sink in.” NBA.com
    a starting lineup of Lowry/Iggy/Kiri/Amir/JV could compete for the stingiest defense in the league.

    If we are retooling and keeping Casey... WE NEED TO START GETTING PLAYERS THAT PLAY HIS WAY!

    problem is you would likely need to balance out this roster with a bench 3pt specialist ala Redick.

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    I'm aware that both of these guys would likely be sign and trade situations.

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    Yeah, because this is better than Gay/DD

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    JW... who the hell is gonna score on that team?

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    JW... who the hell is gonna score on that team?
    Yeah, that would be my concern. Though it would be nice to have one or the other.

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    Quote Thesachman wrote: View Post
    Yeah, because this is better than Gay/DD
    1.) Both are better 3pt shooters
    2.) Both are better defenders
    3.) Both are better facilitators
    4.) Both are better rebounders
    5.) Both are better ball handlers

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    JW... who the hell is gonna score on that team?
    Lowry - 18 - 20 pts (offensive load would increase a bit)
    Andre - 12 - 16 pts
    Andre - 10 - 12 pts
    Amir - 10 - 13 pts
    JV 15 - 20 pts

    now all you need is 20 pts from your bench

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Yeah, that would be my concern. Though it would be nice to have one or the other.

    If the other team can only score 80, you only need 81 to win.

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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    1.) Both are better 3pt shooters
    2.) Both are better defenders
    3.) Both are better facilitators
    4.) Both are better rebounders
    5.) Both are better ball handlers
    Both or 30+

    Neither can score effectively. It would be so brainless to devote 72M to these two.

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    Quote Xixak wrote: View Post
    Both or 30+

    Neither can score effectively. It would be so brainless to devote 72M to these two.
    Iggy is 29, Andrei is 32. Both can score effeciently and STUFF the stat sheet in other columns "rebounds assists and steals."

    If the goal of the club to bring in young players and teach them, I can't think of better players to emulate in learning the "total game"
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    They score efficiently because they don't have to be primary scorers. I'm so sick of the overuse of efficiency statistics. They have to be used in context.

    You can't just take a guy like Kirilenko who shoots 50% on 8 shot attempts a game and expect him to maintain that efficiency in an expanded role. Just due to the nature of that lineup, he'd probably have to double his shot attempts. Do you really think he's going to maintain his efficiency and become a 25ppg scorer on 50% shooting? No. His efficiency is going to take a nosedive.

    This is the thinking that cost Memphis bigtime. Yes Rudy was scoring 17ppg on a somewhat inefficient 42% shooting.... so they get rid of him. Who takes his 16 shots now? Prince/Allen/Conley are all going to see their efficiency decrease with increased volume. This thinking is so devoid of logic.

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    They score efficiently because they don't have to be primary scorers. I'm so sick of the overuse of efficiency statistics. They have to be used in context.
    I don't want them to be primary scorers. Neither one is being placed in that role. I want the offensive load shifted to Lowry and Valanciunas. I even showed that I only wanted them getting between 10-15 points per game. I want them knock down wide open threes off drive and kicks. I want them to run the floor in transition and get easy buckets.

    You can't just take a guy like Kirilenko who shoots 50% on 8 shot attempts a game and expect him to maintain that efficiency in an expanded role.
    That's good because I didn't.

    Just due to the nature of that lineup, he'd probably have to double his shot attempts. Do you really think he's going to maintain his efficiency and become a 25ppg scorer on 50% shooting?
    No I don't

    No. His efficiency is going to take a nosedive.
    It would if he was asked to

    This is the thinking that cost Memphis bigtime.
    Western Conference Finals Memphis? That Memphis? Someone tell me when we were last in any kind of Finals

    Yes Rudy was scoring 17ppg on a somewhat inefficient 42% shooting.... so they get rid of him.
    42% on mostly the worst shot in basketball, the dreaded mid range game.

    Who takes his 16 shots now?
    Divided up between the much more effecient Randolph Gasol and Conley.

    This thinking is so devoid of logic.
    I'd say using a team that made the Western Conference Finals after they got rid of Rudy Gay in order to prove how valuable he is, is devoid of logic

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    Just for fun though, in the playoffs and with Gallanari injured Coach Karl asked Iggy to step up and become a primary weapon

    PPG:18.0 RPG: 8.00 APG 5.3 on 50% from the field 40% from distance and 72% from the FT line

    EFF+ 23.33

    GRANTED this is a six game sample

    in APRIL: 16pts 1 block 2 steals 8 assists 7 rebounds per game
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    Would love Igoudala. Just adding him would make an enormous difference. You can break down Denver's improvement this past year and he accounts for a massive part of that. I don't see him and Kirilenko complimenting one another. Don't really think that works.

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    AK is not really the guy you want mentoring young players...

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    AK was fairly injured all last season. He can play the 4 which could be big for the Raptors.

    Iggy is Iggy. What team wouldn't want him for the right price? The problem is the S&T.
    Denver is SOO cheap, they likely would want picks, not players which narrows where they would do
    a S&T.

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    Iguodala would be great because he becomes our lockdown defender & it helps that he can do other things really well. However, he's not a scorer & he will never be that type of guy, so I would want to keep Gay in the fold. If you can sign & trade Iguodala for DeRozan, I'd be extremely happy (although I doubt that happens).

    A line-up of Lowry, Iguodala, Gay, Johnson & Valanciunas would be a very, very good starting line-up & a small ball line-up of Lowry, Ross, Iguodala, Gay & Johnson/Valanciunas would be among the most explosive line-ups in the league.
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    Andrea Bargnani
    Andrew Bogut
    Andrew Bynum
    Andre Drummond
    Andrew Goudelock
    Andre Iguodala
    Andrei Kirilenko
    Andre Miller
    do it

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    i'd love Iggy but couldn't care less about AK47
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    Kyle has never averaged more than 14.3ppg. I'm doubtful as to whether he can average 18-20. Keep Rudy, go for Iggy.

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