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    Default Ujiri is trying to get in the draft, who you want?

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    Paraphrasing Ujiri:

    No matter which direction the franchise goes developing youth is going to be a part of the plan. We are going to try and get in the draft.



    Who would you target and feel is obtainable?
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    Burke (unlikely hes going to go top 3 for sure)

    Schroeder
    Kabongo


    basically a PG.

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    Guys I'd love the raps to target/draft:
    Mclemore
    Mitchell
    Kabobgo
    Schroeder
    Burks
    That guy from north carolina

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    I recall there being a question during MU's press conference about Canadian content on the Raptors and he said something along the lines of being in favor of it. I wonder if it might be a lot easier to target a guy like Kabongo with a late 1st or early 2nd round pick. He'd be a great young Canadian PG to spend a season or two as the 3rd string PG, if a veteran PG is brought in to improve the 2nd unit.

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    I would throw MCW on that list. If they keep Lowry having a longer guard like MCW or Kabongo to create a different look off the bench could help.

    IF they want to move one of the starting wings a project like Bullock, or the kid from SDSU would be on my list.

    Bigs I like CJ Leslie who is a tweener stretch 4 and the traditional Center Dieng.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I recall there being a question during MU's press conference about Canadian content on the Raptors and he said something along the lines of being in favor of it. I wonder if it might be a lot easier to target a guy like Kabongo with a late 1st or early 2nd round pick. He'd be a great young Canadian PG to spend a season or two as the 3rd string PG, if a veteran PG is brought in to improve the 2nd unit.
    Well the CIS kid (Ward?) that's a no brainer. Toronto should always be the first team to scout CIS talent. In the next few years Every team will have a Canadian kid from NCAA, so that'll be a tough one, but the CIS is quickly getting better and they have a lot less rules than NCAA. Kabongo would be a good look. He's a lot more talented than most believe.

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    Quote blackjitsu wrote: View Post
    Well the CIS kid (Ward?) that's a no brainer. Toronto should always be the first team to scout CIS talent. In the next few years Every team will have a Canadian kid from NCAA, so that'll be a tough one, but the CIS is quickly getting better and they have a lot less rules than NCAA. Kabongo would be a good look. He's a lot more talented than most believe.
    And very likely a lot more attainable, given the limited assets that MU has to work with.

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    Schroeder seems like a makeable pick (mid first round is his expected position). But his stock seems to be rising. He also plays a position of need for the Raps at pg and has been compared favorably to Rondo on defense and seems to be better offensively than when Rajon was drafted.

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    Paraphrasing Ujiri:

    No matter which direction the franchise goes developing youth is going to be a part of the plan. We are going to try and get in the draft.



    Who would you target and feel is obtainable?
    I think the most likely area for the Raps to pick in is late 1st-early 2nd rd....20s or 30s. I don't know if they can get into the teens, but if they did, I don't think they need a lottery pick.

    I would like to see them target two such picks. Ideally, you con a team into throwing one into a Bargnani trade. This is fairly easy to get if another team is sending an equally bad contract back. Much harder to get for an expiring deal.

    -I would target GSW*(Edit...they have no pick, was already traded previously, dang), BKL, OKC. OKC I normally would never expect to get a pick from, but they have 2 1st rders, but more intriguing is their later one is very close to their second rounder...29 and 32. I feel like one of those should be available. All these teams because they're playoff teams. They all have a chance to be part of a Bargs trade as well.

    -I would also target MIN, CLE and POR. All have multiple picks. I think Minny won't keep both their 1st rounders. I see the 26th pick as available with them for the Raptors...Not sure the 9th would be worth the asset(s) it would take. CLE has the 19th, 31st, and 33rd picks. Gotta think one of those could be available. Same with Portland. They've got 3 picks in the 2nd...39, 40 and 45. None of these are ideal, but all are great if they also get an earlier one, and still nice as consolation prizes.

    As for specific players I'd target, that's tougher. In this "weak" a draft.

    I think ideally, if I could get two picks, I'd try to get one of Karasev/Saric/Antetokounmpo, and a PG. If I got a high enough pick (10-15), I'd probably target a PG there, and try to get a later pick in the 20s or 30s and hope one of the other 3 guys ends up there on draft night.

    If I got two and they were both in the 20s or 30s, I'd again try to get one of the 3 wings above, and then target a PG with the later pick. Given how much he's fallen, Kabongo could actually be a realistic target maybe in the late 30s or even the 40s. I actually like his game too, and think with some proper shooting tutelage, it should really translate well to the NBA, but we'll see...Especially with his size, potential, and pure PG skills, I'd have a hard time taking Canaan, Jackson or Larkin over him. Size matters, especially defensively.
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    rather than just listing off names, i want to see the teams and who toronto would trade to them for their pick.

    its a hard sell for toronto; remember, 23 million contract for bargs, 37 million for rudy, 12.5 million for fields, 13.5 for amir, 40 million for derozan. what lottery team would take on these contracts?

    and what about low pick teams? will they take any players from our bench?

    i still think this draft is not worth it in the least.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I think the most likely area for the Raps to pick in is late 1st-early 2nd rd....20s or 30s. I don't know if they can get into the teens, but if they did, I don't think they need a lottery pick.

    I would like to see them target two suck picks. Ideally, you con a team into throwing one into a Bargnani trade. This is fairly easy to get if another team is sending an equally bad contract back. Much harder to get for an expiring deal.

    -I would target GSW, BKL, OKC. OKC I normally would never expect to get a pick from, but they have 2 1st rders, but more intriguing is their later one is very close to their second rounder...29 and 32. I feel like one of those should be available. All these teams because they're playoff teams. They all have a chance to be part of a Bargs trade as well.

    -I would also target MIN, CLE and POR. All have multiple picks. I think Minny won't keep both their 1st rounders. I see the 26th pick as available with them for the Raptors...Not sure the 9th would be worth the asset(s) it would take. CLE has the 19th, 31st, and 33rd picks. Gotta think one of those could be available. Same with Portland. They've got 3 picks in the 2nd...39, 40 and 45. None of these are ideal, but all are great if they also get an earlier one, and still nice as consolation prizes.

    As for specific players I'd target, that's tougher. In this "weak" a draft.

    I think ideally, if I could get two picks, I'd try to get one of Karasev/Saric/Antetokounmpo, and a PG. If I got a high enough pick (10-15), I'd probably target a PG there, and try to get a later pick in the 20s or 30s and hope one of the other 3 guys ends up there on draft night.

    If I got two and they were both in the 20s or 30s, I'd again try to get one of the 3 wings above, and then target a PG with the later pick. Given how much he's fallen, Kabongo could actually be a realistic target maybe in the late 30s or even the 40s. I actually like his game too, and think with some proper shooting tutelage, it should really translate well to the NBA, but we'll see...Especially with his size, potential, and pure PG skills, I'd have a hard time taking Canaan, Jackson or Larkin over him. Size matters, especially defensively.
    Nice post.

    Bargnani to Minnesota for Ridnour & #26 would be a nice deal, though I can't see Minny having much use for Bargnani, unless as a backup for Love if they intend to trade Williams. Could recruit a 3rd team to help facilitate such a deal too.

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    Trey Burke is number 1 on my list.

    This team needs a point guard, I like Kabongo a lot, Michael Carter-Williams is a good guy, definitely interested in Schroeder.

    Depending on what players are traded (DeRozan, Ross, Fields, Bargnani, Lowry - quite frankly, I do not want Gay traded unless a wing/player received brings some of the same intangibles), I would like a big (maybe not IN the draft - bigs I'm interested in are Bennett, Mitchell, Olynyk), or a wing like McLemore, Oladipo, Porter, Muhammad.

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    Quote ReubenJRD wrote: View Post
    Trey Burke is number 1 on my list.

    This team needs a point guard, I like Kabongo a lot, Michael Carter-Williams is a good guy, definitely interested in Schroeder.

    Depending on what players are traded (DeRozan, Ross, Fields, Bargnani, Lowry - quite frankly, I do not want Gay traded unless a wing/player received brings some of the same intangibles), I would like a big (maybe not IN the draft - bigs I'm interested in are Bennett, Mitchell, Olynyk), or a wing like McLemore, Oladipo, Porter, Muhammad.
    I'd definitely go for Carter-Williams. Great length, and his shooting's improved. If he develops a post game he could be lethal.
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    Default Fliers

    • Myck Kabongo
    • Tim Hardaway Jr.

    Taking fliers at the end of the 1st round should be cheap.

    Shabazz Muhammad may be worth a shot in the 20's also. I'm not too high on him being a long term piece but I feel his stock is undervalued in comparison to his talent. Should he come in and play really well for a season or two (and causes no problems) people will have forgotten the flags and he will be an asset that maybe doubles in value to right now. Buy low, sell high people.

    Getting a high choice may be tough...

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    mid first: Schroeder
    20-25: Adetokunbo
    2nd round: Kabongo, Glenn Rice (assuming you believe the positive reports he has straightened out)
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Nice post.

    Bargnani to Minnesota for Ridnour & #26 would be a nice deal, though I can't see Minny having much use for Bargnani, unless as a backup for Love if they intend to trade Williams. Could recruit a 3rd team to help facilitate such a deal too.
    It might not have to be that big a deal.

    Could just be Lucas for #26, or something like that. Minnesota will want PG insurance as they shop Ridnour. They also already have their young PG in Rubio and don't need another project. Not to mention Shved having natural PG skills and Barea being in his prime. They won't want to add long-term money if they might try to make another big move with pieces like Kirilenko and Ridnour as bait. They also might be giving Pekovic a nice new deal. I think Portland or Cleveland might have similar desires...getting someone like Lucas or Gray, who are solid 3rd stringers, because they need insurance with some experience since they already have a lot of youth.

    It could, also, unfortunately, go the other way around. THey view this draft as weak so they shop the #9 pick which could bring in a nice piece. And then they try to make a more under-the-radar pick, keeping #26. They are Minnesota though, so I doubt they trade out completely. I could also see them swapping #9 with another team in the teens and still trading #26 altogether...Lesson here: keep an eye on Minnesota.

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    Yeah, I'm in favour of a mid to late first on any of the PGs mentioned... MCW, Kabongo, Schroeder, etc. I wouldn't mind them grabbing a few late first and early second picks, and then just waiting to see who falls. This draft is so deep with centers and short on PFs, so even though we've got JV, I wouldn't mind seeing another young C on the team... Dieng, Gobert, Nogueira, and Withey are all guys who should be available in the late first, and all of them are potentially solid NBA backups.

    Out of that group, I actually like Nogueira's upside: if a good coach get get through the attitude and get him to put in the work on defense and in the gym, he's got great potential. It sounds like things have finally started to click for him at both ends of the floor this year, based on the scouting reports I've read. With his footwork and length, he might be better suited to defend the PF position at the NBA level, though at this point he needs more bulk to defend anyone.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    mid first: Schroeder
    20-25: Adetokunbo
    2nd round: Kabongo, Glenn Rice (assuming you believe the positive reports he has straightened out)
    That's a very small list though.

    Would you only trade into the draft specifically for these players on draft night?

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    Quote phez wrote: View Post
    rather than just listing off names, i want to see the teams and who toronto would trade to them for their pick.

    its a hard sell for toronto; remember, 23 million contract for bargs, 37 million for rudy, 12.5 million for fields, 13.5 for amir, 40 million for derozan. what lottery team would take on these contracts?

    and what about low pick teams? will they take any players from our bench?

    i still think this draft is not worth it in the least.
    Dallas may be willing to take a Lowry and cash for Marion and 13th pick swap.

    Another idea:

    To Philadelphia:
    Derozan
    Amir

    To Toronto:
    J Rich
    Hawes
    #11 Pick

    Another:

    To Phoenix:
    Derozan

    To Toronto:
    Shannon Brown
    #5 Draft Pick

    Another:

    To Detroit:
    Derozan
    Kleiza

    To Toronto:
    Stuckey
    #8 Pick

    Another:

    To Milwaukee:
    Derozan

    To Toronto:
    Udoh
    #15 pick, #43 pick

    Another:

    To Chicago:
    Derozan

    To Toronto:
    Rip Hamilton
    Marquis Teague
    #20 pick

    I have nothing against Derozan, I was just thinking who we could trade him to in order to get a draft pick this year.

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    Every time I mention Tim Tim I hear cricket chirping. LOL

    I must be in the minority who views his value underrated due to questions about factors that won't prevent him from playing in the league a long time. I'm thinking Mo Pete potential.

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