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  • http://www.raptorscage.ca/the-2013-n...ronto-raptors/

    Long story short, for example, no reason to trade Rudy Gay for the number 1 pick in this draft, because there isn’t a player currently with the potential that Rudy has/had. This draft is simply too weak to invest too much into regardless of the team’s direction, however obtaining a late pick from a team unloading it for virtually nothing is definitely a viable option regardless of the team’s direction. See the pattern?
    Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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    • Don't we have a good track record with older rookies?
      @Chr1st1anL

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      • Its a draft for PGs and Role Players the top 10 is really meh as well.

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        • Mediumcore wrote: View Post
          Goes to show how much value is placed on 2nd rounders. Maybe it's just a BC thing.
          BC wasn't a particularly strong drafter, and tried to avoid the draft by using picks as trade capital whenever possible. Every year he was allowed to trade a first-round pick, he tried to do so, and traded practically every second-rounder possible.

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          • Another great PG prospect in the second round is Nemanja Nedovic. Hopefully we still have ties with JV's old team. If you haven't seen this kid yet please go on YouTube. Great draft and stash guy.
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            • This is the type of year that 2nd round picks may have more value than late first picks. The value of non-guarantee contracts vs guaranteed contracts is important. Wouldn't be surprised if teams move late first round picks for 2nd round picks, or just sell selections.

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              • In addition to the Pacers' Jimmer discussions, sources say Indiana has made the No. 23 pick available in hopes that an interested party would be willing to take on the contract of Gerald Green for the right to acquire Indy's pick.
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                • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                  In addition to the Pacers' Jimmer discussions, sources say Indiana has made the No. 23 pick available in hopes that an interested party would be willing to take on the contract of Gerald Green for the right to acquire Indy's pick.
                  We've gotta send Kleiza their way for that pick and Green.

                  Wouldn't even mind Green's athleticism off the bench at the 3 behind Gay.

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                  • If they're trying to get rid of Green they wouldn't want Kleiza back. Sounds like a financial/personnel move. Probably want cash and player rights.

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                    • Okay, having read this, I will get openly sentimental and say I want Ujiri to get his hands on a second-rounder for Dwayne Davis. You can't buy character, and this guy has it:

                      When the Chicago Bulls offered to send a limo to the airport to drive Davis to the team facility for his workout earlier this month, he told them such a lavish expense was unnecessary and he'd just take a cab. He also ordered the cheapest item on the menu -- a personal cheese pizza -- when Bulls executives took him to dinner that night.

                      "He said he knows eating out is expensive and he wanted to help save the Bulls some money," said Sam Cipriano, player relations coordinator for Edge Sports International. "Not too many kids like him out there."

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                      • blackjitsu wrote: View Post
                        This is the type of year that 2nd round picks may have more value than late first picks. The value of non-guarantee contracts vs guaranteed contracts is important. Wouldn't be surprised if teams move late first round picks for 2nd round picks, or just sell selections.
                        I disagree with this reasoning. Here are the NBA minimum salaries, which depend on how many years of experience they have:

                        R $490,180
                        1 $788,872
                        2 $884,293
                        3 $916,099
                        4 $947,907

                        And here's the rookie scale for the #30 pick this year:

                        R $880,600
                        1 $920,200
                        2 $959,800 (team option)
                        3 $1,732,439 (team option)
                        4 $2,598,658 (qualifying offer)

                        (For cap boffins: the amounts listed here are actually 120% of the rookie scale, because that's what almost all rookies sign for. It could theoretically be as little as 80% of scale, or two thirds of what I've listed in the table, though I believe it'd still have to be at least the minimum.)

                        So a late first round draft pick costs almost exactly the same amount as a second round pick on a minimum deal, only has two years guaranteed, AND is stuck with the rookie scale. To top it off, if you like the guy you can keep him for four years! Second round picks virtually never sign deals longer than 3 years, with 2 years being the most common, and they get to negotiate their own contracts (c.f. Nikola Pekovic, who managed to get 3 years, $13.5 million--that's more than the 3rd overall pick gets!). And generally, you want to take a look at your draft pick for at least a season before deciding he's not even worth minimum wage, so the advantage from not guaranteeing the contract is that you get to dump one year of minimum salary contract. Big effin' deal.

                        So, if you draft a guy at #31 instead of #30, you're getting him locked up for 2 fewer years, you have much less flexibility in retaining the player, and you're only saving, at best, one year of minimum salary. Worst case, i.e. with a euro player or someone who's got offers from euro clubs (hint: this includes most top 60 NBA prospects if they want it), they've got leverage to demand a higher salary and guaranteed years anyway, and you actually end up paying them more, with more guaranteed years, than you would have paid the first round guy.

                        edited to add: The exception to this rule is if you're drafting a Euro guy who's already making 2 or 3 times what the late-1st rookie scale pays, and more so if he's got a buyout. Then you might want the flexibility to negotiate a bigger contract. (If Ricky Rubio slipped to #30 in some bizarro universe, he would have never come over, because his $8.2 million buyout would cost him twice as much as he'd make in his first 4 years--he'd be going into debt $1 million per year instead of getting paid!) But that has nothing to do with saving money, or guaranteed vs. non-guaranteed.
                        Last edited by tkfu; Tue Jun 25, 2013, 02:49 PM.

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                        • magoon wrote: View Post
                          Okay, having read this, I will get openly sentimental and say I want Ujiri to get his hands on a second-rounder for Dwayne Davis. You can't buy character, and this guy has it:
                          Jesus Christ. His story nearly brought a tear to my eye. Kind of reminds me of Jimmy Butler who i begged BC (in my head and on this board) to draft.
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                          • question, have the raptors worked out anyone?
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                            • ceez wrote: View Post
                              question, have the raptors worked out anyone?
                              my guess is no
                              Twitter - @thekid_it

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                              • Brandon Paul, the next Danny Green?

                                Nice breakdown at draft express

                                http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Paul-5792/

                                peep this though

                                Standing 6'4 with long arms and a strong frame, Paul's combination of speed and explosiveness remain a big part of his NBA potential, just as they did early in his career. He may be slightly undersized for a shooting guard, but he certainly has all the other physical tools common amongst two guards at the NBA level.

                                With Meyers Leonard entering the 2012 NBA Draft, the Illini had to rely heavily on their guards this season, and that led to a significant change in what Paul was asked to do on the offensive end. He remained the focal point of the team's offensive attack, but was relied upon heavily to showcase his athleticism and create his own shot compared to his junior season, when spot-ups and off-screen opportunities accounted for a much more significant portion of his possessions.

                                The key to Paul's productivity over the past two seasons, and one of his more intriguing qualities as an NBA prospect, is his ability to create his own shot. Possessing a quick first step, an explosive burst when attacking off the dribble, and a strong frame to exploit smaller guards, Paul can shake defenders one-on-one and turn the corner operating off ball screens. He's a capable ball-handler, even running the point for stretches this season, but has room to improve on not over-dribbling and become more adept at playing at different speeds to help prepare for the quickness of NBA defenders.

                                Once Paul finds open space, he's explosive enough to play above the rim and possesses sound shooting mechanics. When he was playing with patience and his shot was falling, he was a handful for opposing defenses to contain at the college level, posting a memorable 43-point outing against Ohio State in 2012 and a 35-point performance against Gonzaga this year. The issue for the talented guard has always been his decision-making and the consistency with which he is able to make plays because of it.

                                For someone who shoots as many 3-pointers as he does (nearly seven per game, representing over half of his overall field goal attempts), NBA scouts surely would have liked to see Paul hit more than 32% from beyond the arc. Ranking in the bottom 20 of our top-100 in true shooting percentage, Paul's shot selection is his biggest weakness and the main culprit of his mediocre scoring efficiency. Nearly 70% of his shots are jumpers, with more than half of those attempts coming off the dribble. Knocking down right around 34% of both jumpers off the dribble and off the catch, Paul limits his shooting percentages by forcing looks from beyond the arc, attempting a large proportion of his spot-up shots with a hand in his face and sometimes passing up a good shot for a more difficult one off the dribble. Part of this has to do with the large amount of offensive responsibility he was forced to shoulder on a team without great individual talent, but this has been a concern with him throughout his career.

                                When Paul attacks the rim, he similarly settles for difficult shots just outside the paint on occasion, sometimes looking out of control or unable able to get all the way to the rim when he puts the ball on the floor. Converting just 47% of his finishing attempts and 39% of his runners according to Synergy Sports Technology, Paul's inconsistency in the paint was a major factor in his relatively mediocre 48% 2-point percentage, which nevertheless represented the highest mark of his career.

                                Despite his shot selection, Paul still managed to rank among the most efficient volume isolation scorers in the NCAA this season, scoring 46% of his one-on-one attempts and finishing quite effectively when he was able to make one move and go. He got to the line at a very strong rate, and also excelled in transition, consistently doing his best work when he was able to use his speed to beat the defense to the spot on the offensive end and wasn't putting himself in a position where he'd need to make a decision as to how to score over or maneuver through help.


                                From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2XG0tjWOb
                                http://www.draftexpress.com
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