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    for as much as we need 3 and D guys we also need someone who will consistently try and get to the hoop. Raps need a bulldog.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    for as much as we need 3 and d guys we also need someone who will consistently try and get to the hoop. Raps need a bulldog.
    put me in coach!

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    put me in coach!
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    Hardly a secret as Wolstat points out:



    What does Stein mean by "second-rounder at worst"? Theres no 3rd round is there? I don't see what the point in going that far into the draft is for unless you think there is going to be someone there that specializes in say 3 point shooting or something. It's a weak draft, why bother?

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    ...I don't see what the point in going that far into the draft is for unless you think there is going to be someone there that specializes in say 3 point shooting or something. It's a weak draft, why bother?
    One has to assume that they see someone there that "...specializes in say 3 point shooting or something."


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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    What does Stein mean by "second-rounder at worst"? Theres no 3rd round is there? I don't see what the point in going that far into the draft is for unless you think there is going to be someone there that specializes in say 3 point shooting or something. It's a weak draft, why bother?
    What do you mean? Isn't accumulating young assets always a good thing?

    -First off, they're cheap. Rookie-scale contracts are great. 2nd round picks are even better in that respect because nothing is guaranteed and it's totally negotiable. Even if Acy is just a 3rd stringer, he's a dirt cheap 3rd stringer who brings valued skills to the floor (hustle, rebounding, a hopefully improving jumper).

    -Second, in a weak draft, the difference in "potential" probably won't be that big from even the late lottery or mid-first round through to the end. Again, even though maybe I have some bias, Kabongo is a great example of this. He doesn't have lower potential than Shane Larkin, or Canaan, or Schroeder, etc (or really any PG in this crapshoot draft)...Even if it's a 2-3 year project (or draft-and-stash) that's just fine.

    -Third, assets are assets. Having an extra piece, especially a young one on a cheap deal (or non-existent deal in the case of a stashing) can't be a bad thing....and especially since the Raptors are capped out, it's not like htey need to reserve that spot for a free agent. And even if they did, it's fairly simple to cut a 2nd rounder.

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    for the last time, it's a weak draft in the sense there's not really any superstar talent, but it's not short on solid starters/rotational players. it's not like 3/4 of this draft is going to be out of basketball in 3 years.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    for the last time, it's a weak draft in the sense there's not really any superstar talent, but it's not short on solid starters/rotational players. it's not like 3/4 of this draft is going to be out of basketball in 3 years.
    60th - Robert Dozier - not in the league
    59th - Chinemelu Elonu - not in the league
    58th - Lester Hudson - not in the league
    57th - Emir Preidzic - not in the league
    56th - Ahmad Nivins - not in the league
    55th - Patrick Mills - 3rd string Spur
    54th - Robert Vaden - not in the league
    53rd - Nando De Colo - 3rd string Spur
    52nd - AJ Price - not in the league
    51st - Jack McClinton - not in the league
    50th - Goran Suton - not in the league
    49th - Sergi Gladyr -not in the league
    48th - Taylor Griffin - not in the league
    47th - Henk Norel - not in the league
    46th - Danny Green - Spurs starting 2
    45th - Nick Cathales - not in the league
    44th - Chase Budinger - Minnesota Starter
    43rd - Marcus Thornton - Kings starter
    42nd - Patrick Beverley - Houston role player
    41st - Jodie Meeks - Lakers bench guy
    40th - Derrick Brown - not in the league
    39th - Jonas Jerebko - Pistons Role Player
    38th - Jon Brockman - not in the league
    37th - DeJuan Blair - Spurs Bench Guy
    36th - Sam Young - Pacers Bench Guy
    35th - DuJuan Summers - Clippers bench
    34th - Sergio Llull - not in the league
    33rd - Dante Cunningham - T-Wolves bench
    32nd - Jermaine Taylor - not in the league
    31st - Jeff Pendergraph - Indiana bench guy


    13 out of 30 are still playing

    1st round

    Christian Eyenga is the only one not playing in the NBA

    34 out of 60 ..

    so Just over half the guys are still playing from that draft. Of those guys I bet an additional ten will flush out in the next two years...maybe 15 of the 60 will have long productive careers (10 years plus)

    2008 33 out of 60 (also a pretty good draft year)

    2007 25 out of 60

    2006 19 out of 60

    2005 26 out of 60

    2004 22 out of 60

    2003 22 out of 60

    2002 13 out of 60

    2001 16 out of 60
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    Still can't believe we traded our 2nd round pick for Telfair, sigh.

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    2nd rounders I'd consider are Ray McCallum - PG from Detroit and Trevor Mbakwe - PF from Minnesota. I've seen Mbakwe projected anywhere from late in the first to mid-second, if he falls he'd be a good catch. McCallum is the coaches son, a gym rat and a true PG, could be a good cheap back-up.
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    First round keeps sounding more possible by the day...

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    What do you mean? Isn't accumulating young assets always a good thing? -First off, they're cheap. Rookie-scale contracts are great. 2nd round picks are even better in that respect because nothing is guaranteed and it's totally negotiable. Even if Acy is just a 3rd stringer, he's a dirt cheap 3rd stringer who brings valued skills to the floor (hustle, rebounding, a hopefully improving jumper).

    -Second, in a weak draft, the difference in "potential" probably won't be that big from even the late lottery or mid-first round through to the end. Again, even though maybe I have some bias, Kabongo is a great example of this. He doesn't have lower potential than Shane Larkin, or Canaan, or Schroeder, etc (or really any PG in this crapshoot draft)...Even if it's a 2-3 year project (or draft-and-stash) that's just fine.

    -Third, assets are assets. Having an extra piece, especially a young one on a cheap deal (or non-existent deal in the case of a stashing) can't be a bad thing....and especially since the Raptors are capped out, it's not like htey need to reserve that spot for a free agent. And even if they did, it's fairly simple to cut a 2nd rounder.
    Yeah, but that deep into the draft what kind of assets are you getting? First off they are going to have to give up something to get that draft pick, and secondly what sort of quality are you getting with this pick? We already have Quincy Acy whom was a second round pick. Like the guy and all, but I don't want to see another one of him on the team. Say for example you find a guy to replace Aron Gray at the end of the bench. We already know the guy isn't going to bring much in the skill department, so you want someone without the skills as well.

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    Quote Raptorsnz wrote: View Post
    Still can't believe we traded our 2nd round pick for Telfair, sigh.
    Goes to show how much value is placed on 2nd rounders. Maybe it's just a BC thing.

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    for the last time, it's a weak draft in the sense there's not really any superstar talent, but it's not short on solid starters/rotational players. it's not like 3/4 of this draft is going to be out of basketball in 3 years.
    Do we need more role players? Seems like the roster is full of them.

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    Will there be any draft parties this year? I'm actually going to be in Toronto on Thursday. Would be nice to put some faces behind names.

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    http://www.raptorscage.ca/the-2013-n...ronto-raptors/

    Long story short, for example, no reason to trade Rudy Gay for the number 1 pick in this draft, because there isn’t a player currently with the potential that Rudy has/had. This draft is simply too weak to invest too much into regardless of the team’s direction, however obtaining a late pick from a team unloading it for virtually nothing is definitely a viable option regardless of the team’s direction. See the pattern?

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    Don't we have a good track record with older rookies?

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    Its a draft for PGs and Role Players the top 10 is really meh as well.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Goes to show how much value is placed on 2nd rounders. Maybe it's just a BC thing.
    BC wasn't a particularly strong drafter, and tried to avoid the draft by using picks as trade capital whenever possible. Every year he was allowed to trade a first-round pick, he tried to do so, and traded practically every second-rounder possible.

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    Another great PG prospect in the second round is Nemanja Nedovic. Hopefully we still have ties with JV's old team. If you haven't seen this kid yet please go on YouTube. Great draft and stash guy.

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