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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    This isn't a tank move, it's a build move. Get a talented young player with upside for scraps, see if he pans out. Most likely one of Stone or Buycks pan out to be capable backup PGs, and then you have an asset. Better that than signing some "veteran" PG for a couple million whose sterling quality is "won't fuck up too often."
    seems to be taking a page off of BC's book.

    acquiring virtual unknowns in the hopes of turing stone into gold, i.e. jamario, ukic, garbo, AP

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    my friend just pointed out that the Raptors have now 16 players on contract, 15 guaranteed (lowry's not).

    Can there be a trade/amnesty thats coming?

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    I don't think it was the French league. I think it was the summer league version of the French league from what I've seen.
    No, it was the French Pro A league, top league in the country. He won MVP and his team finished the regular season in 1st place.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    my friend just pointed out that the Raptors have now 16 players on contract, 15 guaranteed (lowry's not).

    Can there be a trade/amnesty thats coming?
    I was thinking the same thing. I was also wondering why an ESPN Insider article (I only saw the headline) mentioned that with the Hansborough signing, Toronto now had 14 players under contract, when I counted 15...

    I assume at least one of the following will happen soon:
    - Kleiza amnesty
    - Camby trade/buyout
    - Richardson trade/buyout

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    Basically all those stats show is that against lesser talent he has average stats. I don't get this signing. We don't need 2 3rd string point guards.
    It shows a high FG% with lots of usage and not a lot of minutes. It also shows he can hit the 3.
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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. I was also wondering why an ESPN Insider article (I only saw the headline) mentioned that with the Hansborough signing, Toronto now had 14 players under contract, when I counted 15...

    I assume at least one of the following will happen soon:
    - Kleiza amnesty
    - Camby trade/buyout
    - Richardson trade/buyout
    MU did say we'd have a better idea of what kind of team we have in a few days
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    Buycks went undrafted out of Marquette in 2011 and played in the D-League for Tulsa in 2011-12. He had an eight-day trial with the Suns in December 2011 but never played. In Tulsa, he averaged 15.1 points and 2.6 assists per game in 2011-12. Then Buycks went to Europe and was MVP of a French league.
    This from June 19th:
    "I feel like I've been working real hard to try and get there," Buycks said. "I just haven't stopped yet. I've been working and working. I feel like the time is coming, but I just have to keep working until then."
    Regarding the transition to PG:
    "It was a learning process for me, coming from junior college," Buycks said. "I was an All-American, scoring this, scoring that, and coming there I had to take a role as a point guard. I had to distribute the ball and get other guys involved. I had NBA guys on the team in Jimmy Butler, Lazar Hayward, Darius Johnson-Odom, Jae Crowder, we had a lot of good players I was surrounded by. To be the point guard there was a good thing for me."
    Being named an "MVP":
    "That was definitely a big accomplishment for me," Buycks said. "I was excited. I was happy for myself, just the hard work trying to prove everybody wrong that had doubts. I just try to let nothing stop me from getting to my dream, which is getting to the NBA."

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    its only summer league, but he's a big reason why the thunder team was doing so well. when he was playing he was in COMPLETE control of the offense. you know who he reminds me of? that beverley cat out of houston. i remember watching him thinking this guy is gonna get signed by someone. he didn't seem to have much of a jump shot but he's crazy quick and has excellent court vision.
    Thats exactly who I was thinking of. The dude who took out Westbrooks knee. Great comparison. Could be a steal.

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    Who's on the top of your list before this signing of Buycks, who clearly benefitted from his Summer League performance and thus totally impossible to predict?
    Basically someone else like Buycks - a young player with potential. I didn't have anybody specific in mind because like most people I don't follow summer league that closely and only keep track of prospects I like (I like Kabongo, but he's probably D-League bound and rightly so).

    Someone like Price is a known quantity. He's not someone you get excited about; he's a space-filler, an end-of-the-bench guy, someone you can throw on the court for five minutes and keep the game from collapsing while your starter gets his rest. You can get that basically anywhere. Price was coming off a unmemorable but inoffensive season with Washington that, while not really indicative of his ceiling since the team was an injury wasteland while he was starting, demonstrated that he's not a guy who's going to give you much more than the minimum acceptable performance from a backup PG. Except, because he started competently for a lot of last season, he most likely would have cost twice as much as going the prospect route - he's in the Alan Anderson area of "can and probably will end up getting $1.5 million from somebody." Which would be a waste of money.

    AJ Price would be a perfectly acceptable signing if this were a team that was guaranteed to make playoffs and needed a "safe" second or third backup at PG. But the Raptors aren't that team; we're a fringe playoff team at best, with every expert saying our range is the 7-10 seeds (and those who disagree tend to put us lower). We're gonna know within the first thirty games if this is a potential playoff team or not, and probably within the first twenty, and AJ Price versus Any Point Guard Project isn't going to make the difference because Kyle is the starting PG, and if Kyle goes down to injury this isn't a playoff team because AJ Price isn't good enough to run offense for a playoff team as a starting PG.

    It simply makes more sense to use the roster space to invest in a potential prospect and get an asset. If it pans out, great. And if it doesn't, you can release them and sign somebody else - another project, or one of the AJ Prices of the basketball world. Because there's always a few of those lying around.

    So again. You constantly come off as a dick. Someone needs to smack you upside the head.
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    I'm glad our new gm and I are on the same page. #Dwight Buycks

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    So MU signs 2 relatively unknowns - who are both capable of running an offense - to compete for the back-up PG spot. One more defensive minded (Stone), the other more of an efficient scorer (Buycks). Hmmmmmm...

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    Basically someone else like Buycks - a young player with potential. I didn't have anybody specific in mind because like most people I don't follow summer league that closely and only keep track of prospects I like (I like Kabongo, but he's probably D-League bound and rightly so).

    Someone like Price is a known quantity. He's not someone you get excited about; he's a space-filler, an end-of-the-bench guy, someone you can throw on the court for five minutes and keep the game from collapsing while your starter gets his rest. You can get that basically anywhere. Price was coming off a unmemorable but inoffensive season with Washington that, while not really indicative of his ceiling since the team was an injury wasteland while he was starting, demonstrated that he's not a guy who's going to give you much more than the minimum acceptable performance from a backup PG. Except, because he started competently for a lot of last season, he most likely would have cost twice as much as going the prospect route - he's in the Alan Anderson area of "can and probably will end up getting $1.5 million from somebody." Which would be a waste of money.

    AJ Price would be a perfectly acceptable signing if this were a team that was guaranteed to make playoffs and needed a "safe" second or third backup at PG. But the Raptors aren't that team; we're a fringe playoff team at best, with every expert saying our range is the 7-10 seeds (and those who disagree tend to put us lower). We're gonna know within the first thirty games if this is a potential playoff team or not, and probably within the first twenty, and AJ Price versus Any Point Guard Project isn't going to make the difference because Kyle is the starting PG, and if Kyle goes down to injury this isn't a playoff team because AJ Price isn't good enough to run offense for a playoff team as a starting PG.

    It simply makes more sense to use the roster space to invest in a potential prospect and get an asset. If it pans out, great. And if it doesn't, you can release them and sign somebody else - another project, or one of the AJ Prices of the basketball world. Because there's always a few of those lying around.



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    So you want the game to collapse every time Lowry exits the game? I mean, I thought it was sensible to want someone I know can run the pick n roll with JV and Amir, and someone who can throw an entry pass. Or you know, any pass. And it's not like Price is old. He's 26, and he has NBA experience. Buycks is 24 and has none. If they could have Price at the minimum, I don't see how that's a significantly worse signing.

    And who's to say Price isn't an asset? He could have great value for a playoff team looking for a backup PG at the trade deadline, if, say, Ujiri wants to get another 2nd rd pick for some draft, or maybe a young end-of-bencher he likes off someone's roster.

    You just seem to have a stubborn, limited opinion. And you enjoy belittling people who differ on that. Congratulations, you're officially being a little prick on a forum where no one can kick your teeth in for doing so.

    *And again, I have no problem with this kind of signing. I was just picking Price from a list of free agents. Which was a horrible list. So I don't see what your problem was and why you had to attack my opinion. Just being a dick.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    This isn't a tank move, it's a build move. Get a talented young player with upside for scraps, see if he pans out. Most likely one of Stone or Buycks pan out to be capable backup PGs, and then you have an asset. Better that than signing some "veteran" PG for a couple million whose sterling quality is "won't fuck up too often."
    Sure, there is an upside to it if he pans out, but seeing as how he's bounced around between D-League and Europe for a few years I don't think you can put much stock on him being as good as say a Ridnour calibre player. You never know though. This signing says to me that they are not competing for anything next season.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
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    You just seem to have a stubborn, limited opinion. And you enjoy belittling people who differ on that. Congratulations, you're officially being a little prick on a forum where no one can kick your teeth in for doing so.
    Come on guys, the discussion you're having about 2nd/3rd string PG roster strategy has been a good one, with solid points made by both sides... don't discount the discussion by continuing the petty bickering and name calling. Lets keep it respectful.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Come on guys, the discussion you're having about 2nd/3rd string PG roster strategy has been a good one, with solid points made by both sides... don't discount the discussion by continuing the petty bickering and name calling. Lets keep it respectful.
    Well...let me know when Magoon shows anybody some respect around here.

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    CalgaryRapsFan is right. We're all Raptors fans. If you disagree with something then that's fine but let's be respectful not only to the original poster but also to others who come here to read what you have to say.

    You'd be surprised how many people care what you have to say; how many people read what you're saying. Being disrespectful hurts the credibility of your message.

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    Quote tucas wrote: View Post
    How do you not know who Dwight Buycks is!?(I have never heard of him) I would've really liked to get a backup who people have heard of and everyone knows is proven. I've never seen him before, so I guess I'll reserve my judgement, but I'm not sure about this.
    The tanking fire and tweaking fire both burn bright.

    I think this was another log for the tanking though.

    What about Jordan Taylor?

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    Quote JStockton wrote: View Post
    So MU signs 2 relatively unknowns - who are both capable of running an offense - to compete for the back-up PG spot. One more defensive minded (Stone), the other more of an efficient scorer (Buycks). Hmmmmmm...
    correct me if i'm wrong but i remember Ujiri saying Stone was going to be used as a "defensive specialist". i think he'll be used more to create some havok on the other teams' guard play than actually playing pg.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Who's on the top of your list before this signing of Buycks, who clearly benefitted from his Summer League performance and thus totally impossible to predict?

    You post a lot. You always sound like a dick.

    What about Price is bad? He did a solid job last year in actual NBA games. Yes he had a low FG %, but he shot the 3 well enough, ran the offense well, played decent D, and had very low turnovers.

    Also we already have signed a project in Stone. So I thought maybe the team would want some sort of security for if/when Lowry struggles with injuries. It's nice to have someone with at least some NBA experience.

    I don't mind another project at all, but there was never any way I could have objectively chosen someone like Buycks. That would have required information on a very unknown player. And that is usually the case with these type of young project signings, just as it was with Stone. So Price was my 1A, and Udrih my 1B, from a list of pretty unspectacular PG free agents.

    So again. You constantly come off as a dick. Someone needs to smack you upside the head.
    I liked the post because i thought the dick reference was hilarious. No offense to magoon.

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    The team is also constrained by it's cap position and being over player limit some more subtraction is still to come.

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