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    We're going to be a much better team next year, especially with a full training camp. The only way I see us not making the playoffs is injuries.

    Reasons why we'll make he playoffs:

    Kyle Lowry getting into shape, playing like he did in the beggining of the season and this time WITH a full training camp.

    DeMar DeRozan improving himself in the offseason, as he always does. I'm pretty sure he'll be knocking down more 3's and even be dishing the ball a few times, might even get better defense because of him being mentored by Gary Payton now.

    Rudy Gay taking over the team and being the man, he'll allow DeMar to flourish and also will DeMar.

    Amir Johnson being Amir Johnson, but an improved one. I know he's already working on his game.

    Jonas Valanciunas, hopefully he can learn to not make mistakes next season, then we can see how he really plays though 30 min a game. Also, I heard he's working on his strength and agility right now which means he's going to improve even more, I also heard he will work on his post moves more, he will also be playing in the Lithuania or something like that.

    Landry Fields getting an offseason to get his shot form back, and recover from the surgery.

    Terrence Ross coming back not as a rookie will hopefully help, heard he's working on his game also.

    ADDITIONS:

    Andrea Bargnani, whoever he gets traded for, count on Masai Ujiri a great trader to get something done, and hopefully getting into the draft and getting someone that'll help the team in it's needs.

    OTHERS:

    Quincy Acy
    John Lucas is a great 3rd PG imo.
    Aaron Gray

    Seriously, with a training camp, and the chemistry the Raptors have made during the ending of the season, the Raptors are gonna be a team to watch next season. And I'm not even mentioning anything Masai might get done which will most likely improve the team.

    .... I guess you could say I'm really excited.

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    There's no way you can possibly say that right now. As fans, we have no idea at this point whether MU even intends to compete for the playoffs next year. For all we know, he could be planning to absolutely blow-up the team and go into full 'tank' mode, to completely rebuild the team over the next 1-3 seasons.

    To simply review the entire current roster (minus the seemingly inevitable subtractions of Bargnani & Kleiza) and list reasons for that team to be better next season, also goes completely against everything that TA & MU have said so far. They have both blatantly said that the roster is not good enough to compete, as it is structured today. I think it would be dangerous for any fan to think that trading/amnestying Bargnani and Kleiza are the only necessary moves, to make the team competitive enough for TA/MU's liking.

    I agree that the current roster is good/young enough to be able to improve on this year's record, simply through organic growth. However, with BC no longer running the team, I think it's a complete waste of time to view the team through that sort of lens. That ship has long since sailed, IMO; this team will be rebuilt/retooled to some substantial degree.
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    Quote JordanMariam14 wrote: View Post
    We're going to be a much better team next year, especially with a full training camp. The only way I see us not making the playoffs is injuries.

    Reasons why we'll make he playoffs:

    ...

    Seriously, with a training camp, and the chemistry the Raptors have made during the ending of the season, the Raptors are gonna be a team to watch next season. And I'm not even mentioning anything Masai might get done which will most likely improve the team.

    .... I guess you could say I'm really excited.
    How could MU possibly improve the team significantly, while also keeping all the players you mentioned in your analysis (Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, Johnson, Valanciunas, Fields, Ross, Acy, Lucas, Gray)? Assuming Anderson, Telfair and Pietrus all walk as UFAs, you're basically hoping that MU can work a miracle and turn Bargnani & Kleiza (and draft picks?) into better players to further upgrade the roster.

    I think you need to temper your excitement. We all need to sit back and watch the offseason unfold under MU's guidance, then revisit expectations as the team heads into training camp. At the very least, we need to wait for the first domino to fall, to at least shed some light on the direction this team is headed in the immediate/short term.
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    Assuming little player movement, the single biggest reason why the Raps will make the playoffs next year:

    The east is terrible.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    How could MU possibly improve the team significantly, while also keeping all the players you mentioned in your analysis (Lowry, DeRozan, Gay, Johnson, Valanciunas, Fields, Ross, Acy, Lucas, Gray)? Assuming Anderson, Telfair and Pietrus all walk as UFAs, you're basically hoping that MU can work a miracle and turn Bargnani & Kleiza (and draft picks?) into better players to further upgrade the roster..
    If we trade those players (Starters + Ross, and Fields), we are most likely getting talent back

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    Assuming little player movement, the single biggest reason why the Raps will make the playoffs next year:

    The east is terrible.
    Yeah I agree, if we were in the West we probably wouldn't make the playoffs.

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    Quote JordanMariam14 wrote: View Post
    We're going to be a much better team next year, especially with a full training camp. The only way I see us not making the playoffs is injuries.

    Reasons why we'll make he playoffs:

    Kyle Lowry getting into shape, playing like he did in the beggining of the season and this time WITH a full training camp.

    DeMar DeRozan improving himself in the offseason, as he always does. I'm pretty sure he'll be knocking down more 3's and even be dishing the ball a few times, might even get better defense because of him being mentored by Gary Payton now.

    Rudy Gay taking over the team and being the man, he'll allow DeMar to flourish and also will DeMar.

    Amir Johnson being Amir Johnson, but an improved one. I know he's already working on his game.

    Jonas Valanciunas, hopefully he can learn to not make mistakes next season, then we can see how he really plays though 30 min a game. Also, I heard he's working on his strength and agility right now which means he's going to improve even more, I also heard he will work on his post moves more, he will also be playing in the Lithuania or something like that.

    Landry Fields getting an offseason to get his shot form back, and recover from the surgery.

    Terrence Ross coming back not as a rookie will hopefully help, heard he's working on his game also.

    ADDITIONS:

    Andrea Bargnani, whoever he gets traded for, count on Masai Ujiri a great trader to get something done, and hopefully getting into the draft and getting someone that'll help the team in it's needs.

    OTHERS:

    Quincy Acy
    John Lucas is a great 3rd PG imo.
    Aaron Gray.
    This is really a best case scenario though I would not bet on all this happening, it is however nice to see some optimism!

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    I like seeing threads like these. Hopefully this doesn't get torn to bits.
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    Assuming little player movement, the single biggest reason why the Raps will make the playoffs next year:

    The east is terrible.
    Here is the problem with that argument: it assumes that the teams that were bad will stay bad.

    At a minimum, Miami, Indiana, New York and Chicago will all make the playoffs. Those are basically givens. So we aren't competing for one of eight slots; really, we're competing for one of four. For those remaining four slots, Brooklyn almost certainly takes one. Philly probably does too because 2012-13 was an outlier for them: they spent last season getting the same record we did but with their star player on whom they gambled and lost out for an entire season, and this offseason they have a lot of room to sign some quality guys and get back into contention (or maybe they re-sign Bynum for a small amount and gamble again, but with much less risk).

    So two slots left, and who will we be going up against? Milwaukee, who may frankly will probably get better now that Monta Ellis is leaving. Atlanta, who will probably snag at least a #7 or #8 seed, and that assumes they don't pull off the Dwight Howard coup they want (which they likely won't). Washington, who played extremely good ball in the second half of the season when John Wall returned - certainly better than we did - and who should improve this offseason with another very solid draft pick. Cleveland, who will either draft even more young talent or who will trade that #1 pick for Kevin Love or someone similar, and who should contend this year.

    The overall talent level in the East is lower than in the West. Big deal - we're still only barely a playoff team at best right now. Maybe DeMar finally makes the big leap we all want, maybe JoVal becomes a sensation, maybe Ross becomes the next Danny Green, maybe Rudy finds consistency and basketball IQ. But let's not hold our breath.

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    I was actually coming here to start a thread like this.

    My perspective is half the entire league going to tank to try to land wiggins or other high lottery picks. Raptors to take advantage of the situation? Raptors to ECF?

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    Here is the problem with that argument: it assumes that the teams that were bad will stay bad.

    So two slots left, and who will we be going up against? Milwaukee, who may frankly will probably get better now that Monta Ellis is leaving. Atlanta, who will probably snag at least a #7 or #8 seed, and that assumes they don't pull off the Dwight Howard coup they want (which they likely won't). Washington, who played extremely good ball in the second half of the season when John Wall returned - certainly better than we did - and who should improve this offseason with another very solid draft pick. Cleveland, who will either draft even more young talent or who will trade that #1 pick for Kevin Love or someone similar, and who should contend this year.
    I don't think Washington, Cleveland, or Milwaukee have a better chance than we do. Atlanta with the cap space they have, even if they don't get Dwight/CP3 they could still sign quality players.

    But Washington ended off the season pretty bad, correct me if im wrong. Also, Nene and Okafor were inconsistent last season especially Nene, they're also getting older next season which makes it even more worse. Even with the draft pick they don't have as much threats as we do. Also because our team knows how to play with eachother right now, too.

    Milwaukee wasn't much better than us last season, but they made the playoffs so I'll have to say they were the better team, but I don't think they'll be better without Monta their leading scorer. Also, Brandon Jennings might not even resign, but he might also. We are the better team I'd say.

    Cleveland is still too young, Jonas is better than Thompson, or will be next season at the least, I'd pick DeMar over Dion, Gay over any of their forwards, but Kyrie over Lowry. I know that's not a great explanation but I'd still pick the Raptors over the Cavs even though they'll improve next year.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    Here is the problem with that argument: it assumes that the teams that were bad will stay bad.

    At a minimum, Miami, Indiana, New York and Chicago will all make the playoffs. Those are basically givens. So we aren't competing for one of eight slots; really, we're competing for one of four. For those remaining four slots, Brooklyn almost certainly takes one. Philly probably does too because 2012-13 was an outlier for them: they spent last season getting the same record we did but with their star player on whom they gambled and lost out for an entire season, and this offseason they have a lot of room to sign some quality guys and get back into contention (or maybe they re-sign Bynum for a small amount and gamble again, but with much less risk).

    So two slots left, and who will we be going up against? Milwaukee, who may frankly will probably get better now that Monta Ellis is leaving. Atlanta, who will probably snag at least a #7 or #8 seed, and that assumes they don't pull off the Dwight Howard coup they want (which they likely won't). Washington, who played extremely good ball in the second half of the season when John Wall returned - certainly better than we did - and who should improve this offseason with another very solid draft pick. Cleveland, who will either draft even more young talent or who will trade that #1 pick for Kevin Love or someone similar, and who should contend this year.

    The overall talent level in the East is lower than in the West. Big deal - we're still only barely a playoff team at best right now. Maybe DeMar finally makes the big leap we all want, maybe JoVal becomes a sensation, maybe Ross becomes the next Danny Green, maybe Rudy finds consistency and basketball IQ. But let's not hold our breath.
    I agree with you. I wasn't trying to claim the Raps are guaranteed a playoff spot (that said I do think the odds of them making the playoffs as things stand is strong). There is plenty that can happen that could change that. Even Detroit between Drummond/Monroe/Singler and perhaps retaining Jose + a load of cap space could make a strong push aswell depending on what direction they decide to take with the team.

    What I meant more than anything is its the weakness of the conference (and likely the number of teams that will tank, similar to 2011/12) is what will make the Raps appear better than they are.

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    Quote JordanMariam14 wrote: View Post
    We're going to be a much better team next year, especially with a full training camp. The only way I see us not making the playoffs is injuries.

    Reasons why we'll make he playoffs:

    Kyle Lowry getting into shape, playing like he did in the beggining of the season and this time WITH a full training camp.

    DeMar DeRozan improving himself in the offseason, as he always does. I'm pretty sure he'll be knocking down more 3's and even be dishing the ball a few times, might even get better defense because of him being mentored by Gary Payton now.

    Rudy Gay taking over the team and being the man, he'll allow DeMar to flourish and also will DeMar.

    Amir Johnson being Amir Johnson, but an improved one. I know he's already working on his game.

    Jonas Valanciunas, hopefully he can learn to not make mistakes next season, then we can see how he really plays though 30 min a game. Also, I heard he's working on his strength and agility right now which means he's going to improve even more, I also heard he will work on his post moves more, he will also be playing in the Lithuania or something like that.

    Landry Fields getting an offseason to get his shot form back, and recover from the surgery.

    Terrence Ross coming back not as a rookie will hopefully help, heard he's working on his game also.

    ADDITIONS:

    Andrea Bargnani, whoever he gets traded for, count on Masai Ujiri a great trader to get something done, and hopefully getting into the draft and getting someone that'll help the team in it's needs.

    OTHERS:

    Quincy Acy
    John Lucas is a great 3rd PG imo.
    Aaron Gray

    Seriously, with a training camp, and the chemistry the Raptors have made during the ending of the season, the Raptors are gonna be a team to watch next season. And I'm not even mentioning anything Masai might get done which will most likely improve the team.

    .... I guess you could say I'm really excited.
    Doug Smith? Is that you?

    In all severity, I don't see this roster even being in existence by the time the playoffs roll around so there's no way to say if they'll be there or not. If they are, I don't share your enthusiasm. If anyone has watched the NBA playoffs this year, it's pretty telling that the top 8 teams are on another level. Going to take some major changes to get the Raps in the mix.
    There's math, and everything else is debatable.

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    Quote magoon wrote: View Post
    Here is the problem with that argument: it assumes that the teams that were bad will stay bad.

    At a minimum, Miami, Indiana, New York and Chicago will all make the playoffs. Those are basically givens. So we aren't competing for one of eight slots; really, we're competing for one of four. For those remaining four slots, Brooklyn almost certainly takes one. Philly probably does too because 2012-13 was an outlier for them: they spent last season getting the same record we did but with their star player on whom they gambled and lost out for an entire season, and this offseason they have a lot of room to sign some quality guys and get back into contention (or maybe they re-sign Bynum for a small amount and gamble again, but with much less risk).

    So two slots left, and who will we be going up against? Milwaukee, who may frankly will probably get better now that Monta Ellis is leaving. Atlanta, who will probably snag at least a #7 or #8 seed, and that assumes they don't pull off the Dwight Howard coup they want (which they likely won't). Washington, who played extremely good ball in the second half of the season when John Wall returned - certainly better than we did - and who should improve this offseason with another very solid draft pick. Cleveland, who will either draft even more young talent or who will trade that #1 pick for Kevin Love or someone similar, and who should contend this year.

    The overall talent level in the East is lower than in the West. Big deal - we're still only barely a playoff team at best right now. Maybe DeMar finally makes the big leap we all want, maybe JoVal becomes a sensation, maybe Ross becomes the next Danny Green, maybe Rudy finds consistency and basketball IQ. But let's not hold our breath.
    What he said.
    There's math, and everything else is debatable.

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    Reasons we make the playoffs: Rudy Motherf*cking Gay
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I like seeing threads like these. Hopefully this doesn't get torn to bits.
    Agreed. I love the unbridled enthusiasm for this team. Helps to balanced the cynical old cooks that have been wasting away on this site for years reaffirming each others misery.

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    Quote RobertArchibald wrote: View Post
    Doug Smith? Is that you?

    In all severity, I don't see this roster even being in existence by the time the playoffs roll around so there's no way to say if they'll be there or not. If they are, I don't share your enthusiasm. If anyone has watched the NBA playoffs this year, it's pretty telling that the top 8 teams are on another level. Going to take some major changes to get the Raps in the mix.
    Your expectations are way out of whack with the reality this team faces. You can't compare a team that didn't make the playoffs to a top 8 team. There are clear and obvious reasons why each is in their position. What you CAN expect though, is improvement or movement in a direction that will lead to improvement. I think the spirit of this thread is to say that SOME fans are actually encouraged by what they see in this team and are willing to bet that they will improve next year compared to last year.

    If you want to watch a team next season that is going to compete for a championship, I suggest watching one of those top 8 teams you are referring to. I, on the the hand, will continue to support my club and enjoy watching them grow and evolve.

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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    Your expectations are way out of whack with the reality this team faces. You can't compare a team that didn't make the playoffs to a top 8 team. There are clear and obvious reasons why each is in their position. What you CAN expect though, is improvement or movement in a direction that will lead to improvement. I think the spirit of this thread is to say that SOME fans are actually encouraged by what they see in this team and are willing to bet that they will improve next year compared to last year.

    If you want to watch a team next season that is going to compete for a championship, I suggest watching one of those top 8 teams you are referring to. I, on the the hand, will continue to support my club and enjoy watching them grow and evolve.
    I could argue that you, like a lot of Raptor fans, are the ones with expectations out of whack. Continuing to be impressed by teams that only have the opportunity to limp in to the playoffs only to lose in the first round is IMO the definition of insanity. If you enjoy watching a team grow and evolve every year into the same position in the bottom half of the league standings then my hat is off to you. I expect more and I don't think it's wrong of me to do so. My mention of top 8 teams was simply to apply a measuring stick for the current roster. With the exception of JV, we basically know what we're getting from each player. Yes, they might gel a bit more, improve a little here and there but so does the rest of the league. There's no amount of growing and evolving from the current roster that can bring them to elite status. Hence, changes must be made to get there.
    There's math, and everything else is debatable.

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    I think it's a good assumption that the teams who were bad this year will stay bad because next year's draft is such a strong one.

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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    Your expectations are way out of whack with the reality this team faces. You can't compare a team that didn't make the playoffs to a top 8 team. There are clear and obvious reasons why each is in their position. What you CAN expect though, is improvement or movement in a direction that will lead to improvement. I think the spirit of this thread is to say that SOME fans are actually encouraged by what they see in this team and are willing to bet that they will improve next year compared to last year.

    If you want to watch a team next season that is going to compete for a championship, I suggest watching one of those top 8 teams you are referring to. I, on the the hand, will continue to support my club and enjoy watching them grow and evolve.
    i would argue that this team is already at that top 8 level and *should* have made the playoffs last year. there was no real good excuse for that 4-19 start,no good excuse going 2-7 in overtime games,no good excuse not to use a top notch #3 as the #3 after the deal,no good excuse stapling Val to the bench for all the 4th quarters he was,no good excuse to having 18 players all get more than 11.8 minutes per game when they played (yes there were injuries and people in and out but what a whack of time wasted on obvious 3rd stringers!)

    i am hoping it was Colangelo that was directing the roster moves at Casey but it's interesting in the end since in my mind Casey's poor in game decisions and performance cost BC his job. had we made it to .500 and made the playoffs the focus would have been more on improving rather than blowing it up,we would still have our 1st round pick and the future maybe a little brighter to more eyes than it appears to be now.

    count me on the optimistic side for at least making the playoffs this year and i'm hoping to see a much more stable starting 5 and a much improved and much shorter bench. the new GM has his work cut out making a bunch of instant changes but directing the coach to play our best players the most minutes together will make a pretty big difference to start with

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